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will sov be fixed before may 2016?

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#1 - 2013-07-17 14:38:56 UTC  |  Edited by: MeBiatch
Just wondering because its been over a month and goons have only managed to take 1 of 35 stations in Fountain and if we should expect a sov mechanic change before 2016?

if so how would this affect the great forever war?

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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#2 - 2013-07-17 14:43:57 UTC
Yes.

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Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
#3 - 2013-07-17 14:44:57 UTC
CCP may fix sov before 2016.
CCP fix sov before may 2016.
2016 fix before CCP may sov.
May sov fix CCP before 2016.

... ah you get the picture.

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Hevymetal
POT Corp
#4 - 2013-07-17 14:45:06 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Just wondering because its been over a month and goons have only managed to take 1 of 35 stations in Fountain and if we should expect a sov mechanic change before 2016?

if so how would this affect the great forever war?


SOV is slated to be fixed shortly after the CQ doors are opened to allow those working on SOV to leave their CQ.
Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#5 - 2013-07-17 14:45:11 UTC
No.

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#6 - 2013-07-17 14:45:44 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Just wondering because its been over a month and goons have only managed to take 1 of 35 stations in Fountain and if we should expect a sov mechanic change before 2016?

if so how would this affect the great forever war?


have you considered that this might be at least partially because the CFC haven't been winning all the fights?

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War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#7 - 2013-07-17 14:46:27 UTC
Alice Saki wrote:
No.


That covers both possibilities, I guess we're done with this thread now.

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Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#8 - 2013-07-17 14:49:10 UTC
Another 'Likes Thread' Lol

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Victor Dathar
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#9 - 2013-07-17 14:50:22 UTC
Malcanis wrote:


have you considered that this might be at least partially because the CFC haven't been winning all the fights?


I think you find that we have been winning none of the fights. That one station was due to it being unused and forgotten about and we gave the old boy something to eat and he started wagging his repair service and decided to come be with us instead. Those other stations are not abused as much by the monster that is TEST.

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JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#10 - 2013-07-17 14:51:10 UTC
I vote for option E.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-07-17 14:58:33 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Just wondering because its been over a month and goons have only managed to take 1 of 35 stations in Fountain and if we should expect a sov mechanic change before 2016?

if so how would this affect the great forever war?


So not winning fast enough according to you?
Nedisu
Rusty Pricks
#12 - 2013-07-17 15:09:49 UTC
Current sov mechanics heavily favor the defender but the 1 out of 35 stations thing is not a clear indicator of how long these wars take. In recent years the trend has been- 2-3 big fights and big losses/ station captures, critical systems lost and then the defense collapses.

Why this is? i dont know, how to fix it? I dont know either, hopefully the CSM has some ideas.
Kult Altol
The Safe Space
#13 - 2013-07-17 15:15:42 UTC
Goon sympathizer. How do you clone with your self at night?

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#14 - 2013-07-17 15:29:50 UTC
Nedisu wrote:
Current sov mechanics heavily favor the defender but the 1 out of 35 stations thing is not a clear indicator of how long these wars take. In recent years the trend has been- 2-3 big fights and big losses/ station captures, critical systems lost and then the defense collapses.

Why this is? i dont know, how to fix it? I dont know either, hopefully the CSM has some ideas.


i would go more the problem is to flip a system you have to have a massive fight. we need solutions.

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-07-17 15:32:45 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Just wondering because its been over a month and goons have only managed to take 1 of 35 stations in Fountain and if we should expect a sov mechanic change before 2016?

if so how would this affect the great forever war?

i dunno about this war but in 2012 there was another big war and many alliances (RedAlliance, Legion of xDeathx, etc) lost their space. Half-a-year after: regions Querious/Delve - another big list of lost/captured systems. It means that in 2012 people was doing sov wars.

I really don't know what was changed since then so current "0.0 overlords" have so big problems with "sov grinding".... But i suspect that this problem is not in sov mechanics but in player minds....

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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#16 - 2013-07-17 15:33:21 UTC
Behold the folly of asking for a "fix" to something that everybody should be trying to break.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#17 - 2013-07-17 15:36:49 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Just wondering because its been over a month and goons have only managed to take 1 of 35 stations in Fountain and if we should expect a sov mechanic change before 2016?

if so how would this affect the great forever war?


Didn't they lose the free sov they were given in Fountain? Working as intended?

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De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2013-07-17 15:38:06 UTC
War Kitten wrote:
Alice Saki wrote:
No.


That covers both possibilities, I guess we're done with this thread now.


You guys forgot the option of "Maybe, but they'll screw up 15 other things in the process", which as it's CCP's default state should have been the default choice.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2013-07-17 15:38:24 UTC
Nedisu wrote:
Current sov mechanics heavily favor the defender but the 1 out of 35 stations thing is not a clear indicator of how long these wars take. In recent years the trend has been- 2-3 big fights and big losses/ station captures, critical systems lost and then the defense collapses.

Why this is? i dont know, how to fix it? I dont know either, hopefully the CSM has some ideas.


Because you don't fight the enemy SOV but his morale. After a few big losses, you can cripple the opposition's morale so tehy stop logging on. From that point, you grind the SOV with next to opposition. According to the recent state of the alliance, TEST seems to have more morale than ISK but only one of those 2 thing need to be effectively broken. No ISK means no ship for opposing an invasion. No morale means no ship in space to make opposition.

TLDR : You grind the enemy's mean of fighting into oblivion then take his sov.
Nedisu
Rusty Pricks
#20 - 2013-07-17 15:46:34 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Nedisu wrote:
Current sov mechanics heavily favor the defender but the 1 out of 35 stations thing is not a clear indicator of how long these wars take. In recent years the trend has been- 2-3 big fights and big losses/ station captures, critical systems lost and then the defense collapses.

Why this is? i dont know, how to fix it? I dont know either, hopefully the CSM has some ideas.


Because you don't fight the enemy SOV but his morale. After a few big losses, you can cripple the opposition's morale so tehy stop logging on. From that point, you grind the SOV with next to opposition. According to the recent state of the alliance, TEST seems to have more morale than ISK but only one of those 2 thing need to be effectively broken. No ISK means no ship for opposing an invasion. No morale means no ship in space to make opposition.

TLDR : You grind the enemy's mean of fighting into oblivion then take his sov.


I dont think they have either. When Eurogoons and the US TZ squad were in Delve for 'fun' and fights, those timers saw 1000+ TESTies in fleet, now they struggle to crack 200-300. Isk was always an issue and they put a bandaid on it now by member donations and scamming more isk out of G Goblin but you are correct- morale is a big issue.

How is morale linked to timers and big fights and sov? These are the things the CSM and CCP need to ask themselves.
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