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Cruiser for level 3 missions
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erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#1 - 2013-07-15 15:40:17 UTC
Hi.

I wonder is it possible to use T1 cruiser to run level 3 missions effectively?

This thorax:
Damage Control II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II

2 x Eutectic Capacitor Charge Array
Optical Tracking Computer I
10MN Afterburner II

5 x Anode Neutron Particle Cannon I

2 x Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I
Medium Hybrid Collision Accelerator I

10 x Hobgoblin I

has absolutely no problem with level 2 missions, but I've heard, that level 3 missions offer much more reward and there for should be much harder. I am slowly getting close to level 3 missions. Should I skip training cruiser related skills and start training battle cruiser certificates instead? Fitted Myrmidon would cost 3 or 4 times more and I will need Dominix for level 4 missions any way (as I was told). Is it possible to skip battle cruiser if I do missioning career ?

I know Vexor is more suited for missioning, I will switch to it as soon as I lose Thorax. That is not the question. The question is - is it possible to run level 3 missions in thorax fitted this way?

Thank you.

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SabersKunk Dallocort
Incognito Mode
Brotherhood of Spacers
#2 - 2013-07-15 15:47:32 UTC
I lost a cruiser with my first level 3 mission and upgraded to a battlecruiser. Worth it for the tank and cap imo.

That said, it's probably possible to do lvl3 with cruisers but hell, I make it look like hard work in a battlecruiser :)
Jose Black
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-07-15 15:58:38 UTC
I highly doubt your tank will suffice at close range in level 3 missions. If at all you'd need a long range setup - imo. Some missions like "The Blockade" will be very (very) tough even then.
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2013-07-15 16:01:39 UTC
generally you'll want a battlecruiser for level 3's.

Some of the easier level 3's could probably be done in a cruiser but i'd imagine that you'd at least want tech 2 guns on the thing...

Also you dont really need a DC for pve imo. DC is a pvp mod - do u ever let urself get into hull pve?
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#5 - 2013-07-15 16:08:12 UTC
erg cz wrote:
Should I skip training cruiser related skills and start training battle cruiser certificates instead?


See, the funny bit is that you're gonna end up turning around and going for the same skills with the only difference being the BC skill itself.

I wouldn't recommend trying to skip anything, especially seeing as how you need to train BCs to even be able to fly a BS.

Why not a brutix? They're a little on the thin side, but certainly capable of tanking decently.

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Ines Tegator
Serious Business Inc. Ltd. LLC. etc.
#6 - 2013-07-15 16:19:36 UTC
Cruisers are entirely able to do L3s, especially if you can perma-run an afterburner. The extra speed will negate 30% or more of incoming damage and make even a moderate tank very potent. I've run L3's in frigates for that matter (it's actually very good training for managing transversals).

That said, a BC brings more firepower and a more forgiving tank that doesn't require watching vectors. It's generally the better way to go if you are missioning for money, but a cruiser can be fun and/or a viable stepping stone. Just watch out for the harder missions and check out Eve Survival before you hit "accept".

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Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-07-15 16:23:06 UTC
I found that I could do level 3 missions in a normal cruiser, though it does take a long time to get through it.

But I was flying a Carmal with heavy missiles engaging in speed and shield tank so I was able to avoid most shots so a close range blaster will have a lot more problems.
Radius Prime
Tax Evading Ass.
#8 - 2013-07-15 18:15:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Radius Prime
Yup, level 3s are perfectly doable in cruisers. Not hard at all as long as you don't go AFK in the midst of a mission.

Have fun o/

Edit: Would even say level 3s are more fun in a fast cruiser then in a sluggish BC...

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Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-07-15 19:22:23 UTC
Radius Prime wrote:
Yup, level 3s are perfectly doable in cruisers. Not hard at all as long as you don't go AFK in the midst of a mission.

Have fun o/

Edit: Would even say level 3s are more fun in a fast cruiser then in a sluggish BC...


if you have the eve-time needed to train the skills needed

for a newbie, I would say no, a cruiser is not viable for level 3's
you wont have the fitting skills
you wont have the tanking skills
you wont have the kiting skills
you wont have the weapon skills

a level 3 mission might still have a lot of frigates spawning in it
but they are not the same as the frigates you get in level 2 missions
they take more damage and do more damage

check your racial BC line
you will find 1 to 2 that use the same tank and weapon system as your current cruiser
eg Vexor -> Myrmiddon, Caracal -> Drake etc

the stronger tank & higher DPS of a BC will mean you can run 3's even with t1 fits whilst you train the skills you need to manage more comfortably.
Vortexo VonBrenner
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-07-15 19:26:47 UTC
Get yourself into Battlecruisers, don't skip them.

Level 3s with a cruiser? Possible - perhaps some more than others - but efficient?, no. Unless you are doing it for a bit of a challenge or just for fun. Skills trained might make quite a difference...

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Ichi Takiwa
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-07-15 20:52:38 UTC
Been wondering the same thing myself. Rule #1 in Eve is to not fly what you can't afford to replace, and a month into the game I can run level 3s, but I can't afford to lose anything more expensive than a cruiser. I'll probably have to stick to running 2s for a while longer.
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-07-15 22:12:38 UTC
certainly possible but if you're low sp and not that good at manual piloting: better to be safe in a battlecruiser.

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Radius Prime
Tax Evading Ass.
#13 - 2013-07-15 22:49:57 UTC
Kitty Bear wrote:
Radius Prime wrote:
Yup, level 3s are perfectly doable in cruisers. Not hard at all as long as you don't go AFK in the midst of a mission.

Have fun o/

Edit: Would even say level 3s are more fun in a fast cruiser then in a sluggish BC...


if you have the eve-time needed to train the skills needed

for a newbie, I would say no, a cruiser is not viable for level 3's
you wont have the fitting skills
you wont have the tanking skills
you wont have the kiting skills
you wont have the weapon skills

a level 3 mission might still have a lot of frigates spawning in it
but they are not the same as the frigates you get in level 2 missions
they take more damage and do more damage

check your racial BC line
you will find 1 to 2 that use the same tank and weapon system as your current cruiser
eg Vexor -> Myrmiddon, Caracal -> Drake etc

the stronger tank & higher DPS of a BC will mean you can run 3's even with t1 fits whilst you train the skills you need to manage more comfortably.


A BC takes the fun and the challenge away. I also believe you are exaggerating Lvl3's difficulty a bit. If you are not a complete nitwit, doing Lvl3s in a cruiser is a breeze. Hell, with good pilot skills you can do Lvl4s with a cruiser. A Gila for instance will do them. Yes, it is slow, but nevertheless it can be done.

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Jose Black
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2013-07-16 16:45:21 UTC
Radius Prime wrote:
A BC takes the fun and the challenge away. I also believe you are exaggerating Lvl3's difficulty a bit. If you are not a complete nitwit, doing Lvl3s in a cruiser is a breeze. Hell, with good pilot skills you can do Lvl4s with a cruiser. A Gila for instance will do them. Yes, it is slow, but nevertheless it can be done.
Have you ever actually flown plain t1 cruisers in level 3 missions or a Gila in 4s?

If you have good overall skill levels (t2 drones and guns for example), did a ton of level 3 missions already (knowing what you're doing in there) then it will indeed take the fun away for most of them. Some would still be a challenge where you need to be on your toes.

The OP on the other hand is completely new to them and does not have all that high skill points backing him up. That means a cruiser will die in a fire. Even with a BC it might be a close call sometimes.

Gila is neither in his price nor skill range. The talk was about Thorax or Vexor. And besides - a Gila is not slow at all at level 4s if you have the right skill set.
Radius Prime
Tax Evading Ass.
#15 - 2013-07-16 23:03:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Radius Prime
Jose Black wrote:
Radius Prime wrote:
A BC takes the fun and the challenge away. I also believe you are exaggerating Lvl3's difficulty a bit. If you are not a complete nitwit, doing Lvl3s in a cruiser is a breeze. Hell, with good pilot skills you can do Lvl4s with a cruiser. A Gila for instance will do them. Yes, it is slow, but nevertheless it can be done.
Have you ever actually flown plain t1 cruisers in level 3 missions or a Gila in 4s?

If you have good overall skill levels (t2 drones and guns for example), did a ton of level 3 missions already (knowing what you're doing in there) then it will indeed take the fun away for most of them. Some would still be a challenge where you need to be on your toes.

The OP on the other hand is completely new to them and does not have all that high skill points backing him up. That means a cruiser will die in a fire. Even with a BC it might be a close call sometimes.

Gila is neither in his price nor skill range. The talk was about Thorax or Vexor. And besides - a Gila is not slow at all at level 4s if you have the right skill set.


Yup, confirming I have done Lvl 4s in Gila, so have friends of mine. You need to know what you're doing but it is doable. Wouldn't advice with anything other then a perfect skill set or close though. I use it as an example that recommending a BC minimum for Lvl 3s is overkill. I barely even need to use rep or boosters on a BC in Lvl3s. Gets boring fast.

Disagree about Gila being slow at Lvl 4s as well. Compared to cookie cutter battleship fits it is veeerrryyy slow.

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Jeffrey Asher
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2013-07-17 02:01:55 UTC
I was until recently missioning in a Vexor and tried some Lvl 3's - most were doable, but the sheer difference in size and number of NPC's meant they took a LOT longer than I can now do them in a Myrmidon, and I found it was more profitable to do a lot more lvl 2 missions in a given time with the cruiser, than slog through 1 lvl 3.

I also had to quit the occasional mission due to just not being able to damage NPC's fast enough for their tank, with the resulting loss in standing. It taught me a lot though, but is definitely a grind. I am having much more fun lvl 3'ing in the BC.

Now to try lvl 4 in the BC!

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erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#17 - 2013-07-17 07:48:43 UTC
So the result sounds : most are do-able, but I will lose too much time. Luckily I still have couple of Gnosises in hangar, so I will be able to use them for high sec level 3 missions.

Thank you for all the answers.

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Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2013-07-17 14:39:51 UTC
Radius Prime wrote:
I barely even need to use rep or boosters on a BC in Lvl3s. Gets boring fast.


But you are not a newbie, which was my point.

You have all those skillsets I listed trained to a good level, a newbie won't.
hell, I can do level 3's in a frigate

but there is no way I would say 'hey newbie, grow some balls & do your missions in a frigate like I can', because they won't be able to, it's just not good newbie advice, it's newbie trolling.

L1 = frigate
L2 = cruiser
L3 = BC
L4 = BS

that's all fine for a newbie, when they have some training completed, and more experience, then they can start experimenting and pushing boundaries, but by then they won't be newbies anymore. like were not.
Max Godsnottlingson
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2013-07-18 10:47:28 UTC
If you are running missions,then you initial 'big aim' will be to get int Level 4 Missions. Which for a newish pilot realy do need a solid Battleship.

Now, while doing level 3's in a cruiser is 'doable', by doing them in a Battlecruiser, you are not developing just skills, but the mindset and tactics needed for flying a Battleship.

Both classes are big, slow and don't do much real fast, both struggle against small fast movers, so flying a BC rather then cruiser for level 3 missiosn gets you used to that mindset faster, and you will certainly learn to deal with small fast movers fast too.