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Can the miner ganking be stopped now without intervention from CCP?

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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#41 - 2011-11-09 03:53:30 UTC
VaMei wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
...or fit for maximum yield and no tank.


What I've never understood is why someone would choose to fly a Hulk over a Covetor in a mining OP and NOT fit it for yield.

If you have someone else to haul for you the Hulk's cargo bay is renderd moot, and if you only fit 1 MLU you out mine a Covetor with 1 MLU by only 3% with Exhumer-IV and by 6% with Exhumer-V. To get that 3-6% yield bump you pay 12 times the price for your ship. That price tag is only the real reason you worry about tanking your Hulk in the 1st place.

Have you ever done the math to see how a Covetor and a Hulk do side in by side in terms of profit/hr? I did and it was insane. When you consider that you need to pay off your ship before you can actually claim profits, it takes a LONG time for the Hulk to actually pay for itself and then catch up with the profit that the Covetor was banking after the 1st or 2nd hour of mining.

If you think there's enough risk of loosing your ship that you need to tank it, you'll do as well to just use a Covetor and keep the other 184Misk safe in your wallet.


Once upon a time, long, long ago, people used to mine in 0.0

You could pay off a hulk in an evening because they could tank the belt rats whilst a covetor would die in a fire.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
VaMei
Meafi Corp
#42 - 2011-11-09 03:55:42 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
VaMei wrote:
What I've never understood is why someone would choose to fly a Hulk over a Covetor in a mining OP and NOT fit it for yield.

For the people we're talking about the yield is everything. Hulks (or mackinaws for ice) have the potential to mine more per cycle than a coveter and, for them, that's the only thing that matters.


Yeah, too many people focused on chasing the big numbers, but chasing the wrong numbers; M3/hr rather than isk after cost.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2011-11-09 04:00:10 UTC
VaMei wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
VaMei wrote:
What I've never understood is why someone would choose to fly a Hulk over a Covetor in a mining OP and NOT fit it for yield.

For the people we're talking about the yield is everything. Hulks (or mackinaws for ice) have the potential to mine more per cycle than a coveter and, for them, that's the only thing that matters.


Yeah, too many people focused on chasing the big numbers, but chasing the wrong numbers; M3/hr rather than isk after cost.


It's the only thing that can matter because anything less is worse income than the pitiful income with a hulk/mack.

Don't ban me, bro!
VaMei
Meafi Corp
#44 - 2011-11-09 04:00:51 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Once upon a time, long, long ago, people used to mine in 0.0

You could pay off a hulk in an evening because they could tank the belt rats whilst a covetor would die in a fire.


Those were good days. +100Misk / Hulk hr was good times. I couldn't fly a Hulk back then, but I'd tank the belt rats for the real miners while I mined what I could from my Domi.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#45 - 2011-11-09 04:01:46 UTC
It never ceases to amaze me that even after we've suicide ganked over 1000 Mackinaws, people still believe that they can safely mine ice in high-sec Gallente space.

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Brock Nelson
#46 - 2011-11-09 04:07:02 UTC
Andski wrote:
It never ceases to amaze me that even after we've suicide ganked over 1000 Mackinaws, people still believe that they can safely mine ice in high-sec Gallente space.


Pubbies

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2011-11-09 04:07:45 UTC
Pubbies never change.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#48 - 2011-11-09 04:14:23 UTC
Andski wrote:
It never ceases to amaze me that even after we've suicide ganked over 1000 Mackinaws, people still believe that they can safely mine ice in high-sec Gallente space.



If for some arcane reason they manage to succeed... Profits are doubled thanks to your efforts. Someone ninja-mining in a covetor might just make money.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Jenshae Chiroptera
#49 - 2011-11-09 04:17:32 UTC
Krios Ahzek wrote:
Andski wrote:
It never ceases to amaze me that even after we've suicide ganked over 1000 Mackinaws, people still believe that they can safely mine ice in high-sec Gallente space.



If for some arcane reason they manage to succeed... Profits are doubled thanks to your efforts. Someone ninja-mining in a covetor might just make money.


Goons might be helping to remove high sec bots and make that ice more profitable for other pilots

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#50 - 2011-11-09 04:23:50 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Krios Ahzek wrote:
Andski wrote:
It never ceases to amaze me that even after we've suicide ganked over 1000 Mackinaws, people still believe that they can safely mine ice in high-sec Gallente space.



If for some arcane reason they manage to succeed... Profits are doubled thanks to your efforts. Someone ninja-mining in a covetor might just make money.


Goons might be helping to remove high sec bots and make that ice more profitable for other pilots


Well actually with doubled prices you'll get as much mining in a covetor as you would get with a mack with normal prices.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Scrapyard Bob
EVE University
Ivy League
#51 - 2011-11-09 04:36:02 UTC
Krios Ahzek wrote:

Well actually with doubled prices you'll get as much mining in a covetor as you would get with a mack with normal prices.


Mack, max-skill, no-tank - 49.5 blocks/hr
Mack, tanked - 45/hr
Hulk, no tank - 41/hr
Hulk, tanked - 37/hr
Covetor, no-tank - 31.6/hr
Cove, tanked 28.8/hr

So yes, about that.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#52 - 2011-11-09 18:48:31 UTC
Very tempting, just for the sake of screwing with Goons. P

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#53 - 2011-11-10 01:21:03 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
they will instead play victim in order to get CCP to capitulate,


You know, when the goons are claiming Mackinaw kills in the thousands, miners aren't "playing" victim, they are the victim. But I bet you think that girl in the short mini-skirt and tube top was just begging to be raped, too. Amirite?

Anyway 'nuff said, wouldn't want you to think I was crying. 250k ice is real nice, and I haven't lost a ship since this "interdiction" started.
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2011-11-10 01:23:29 UTC
Ptraci wrote:
But I bet you think that girl in the short mini-skirt and tube top was just begging to be raped, too. Amirite?

Because getting your pixel ship blown up in a video game is just like getting raped in real life right?

You are loathsome.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#55 - 2011-11-10 02:01:14 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Vigdis Thorisdottir wrote:
...
Play and pay attention to your game and it's easy to not get ganked. Mining too boring to justify your attention? Then maybe that means it's a good time to try X-ing up when I'm trying to form a combat fleet.

/rant


I can't mine with 100% attention and I do most of my mining in worm holes. The best I can do is semi-AFK, where I have two screens, I read on one, click D-scan on the other and glance across from time to time.



What if mining were something like the old asteroids game, where you used your mining lasers to blow the crap out of asteroids until they're in small enough pieces to scoop up into your mining ship's gaping maw by actively flying it to do so? zapzapzap! omnomnom!

Mining becomes an active-piloting activity involving real player skill. Miners pay attention and get ganked less. It becomes way harder to multibox efficiently, so mineral prices rise, capitals become expensive again, people actually care about T1 hull prices. A low denomination Interbus postage stamp is issued with my face on it.

Everybody is happy.



Multibox miners cant play mini games, and they are the only ones that actually sit at their damn screens to mine.

Remove active tank mods, see how many people afk mine if they cant tank the rats because all their drones got killed first.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#56 - 2011-11-10 02:04:29 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Ptraci wrote:
But I bet you think that girl in the short mini-skirt and tube top was just begging to be raped, too. Amirite?

Because getting your pixel ship blown up in a video game is just like getting raped in real life right?

You are loathsome.


Yes I am loathsome, because all analogies are meant to be taken seriously. A fictional girl getting raped is about as devastating as a fictional person getting blown up. Besides, stop focusing on the girl. No one has been raped. She's not real. The point was about the poster's attitude. Troll harder.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#57 - 2011-11-10 02:04:45 UTC
Quote:
Multibox miners cant play mini games, and they are the only ones that actually sit at their damn screens to mine.

Incorrect. I always mine at my computer, never afk (unless I need a restroom break). And I only have one account, so multiboxing would be rather hard.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#58 - 2011-11-10 02:08:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Corina Jarr
Ptraci wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Ptraci wrote:
But I bet you think that girl in the short mini-skirt and tube top was just begging to be raped, too. Amirite?

Because getting your pixel ship blown up in a video game is just like getting raped in real life right?

You are loathsome.


Yes I am loathsome, because all analogies are meant to be taken seriously. A fictional girl getting raped is about as devastating as a fictional person getting blown up. Besides, stop focusing on the girl. No one has been raped. She's not real. The point was about the poster's attitude. Troll harder.

The analogy is a fail anyway.

A closer one would be this.


A girl in a skimpy outfit is walking down the street and sees a bar. The sign over the bar says, "Girls wearing skimpy outfits will be raped here." But she doesn't read it and goes in. If she gets raped, it is 100% (ok, maybe 99) her fault. Still punish the rapist, but she would get no sympathy from me.


This is pretty much the exact thing that is happening.

Except I will have a little sympathy for the miner the first time they get ganked. After that though...
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#59 - 2011-11-10 02:09:16 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Vigdis Thorisdottir wrote:
...
Play and pay attention to your game and it's easy to not get ganked. Mining too boring to justify your attention? Then maybe that means it's a good time to try X-ing up when I'm trying to form a combat fleet.

/rant


I can't mine with 100% attention and I do most of my mining in worm holes. The best I can do is semi-AFK, where I have two screens, I read on one, click D-scan on the other and glance across from time to time.



What if mining were something like the old asteroids game, where you used your mining lasers to blow the crap out of asteroids until they're in small enough pieces to scoop up into your mining ship's gaping maw by actively flying it to do so? zapzapzap! omnomnom!

Mining becomes an active-piloting activity involving real player skill. Miners pay attention and get ganked less. It becomes way harder to multibox efficiently, so mineral prices rise, capitals become expensive again, people actually care about T1 hull prices. A low denomination Interbus postage stamp is issued with my face on it.

Everybody is happy.



Do this and combine with the archeological side of exploration where artifacts and ancient sites pop up in the rocks and we have a winner here.

How many people - especially you old farts here - played Asteroids for HOURS in the arcades and the Atari 2600 during its reign?

Heck in many ways in EvE the appearance of belt rats is like the appearance of that UFO in Asteroids. I wonder if the original EvE devs were giving a nod to Asteroids when they thought of belt rats.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#60 - 2011-11-10 02:11:06 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Ptraci wrote:
But I bet you think that girl in the short mini-skirt and tube top was just begging to be raped, too. Amirite?

Because getting your pixel ship blown up in a video game is just like getting raped in real life right?

You are loathsome.



Probably not butt there is hurt all the same.

Sorry, couldn't help it. P


Bring back DEEEEP Space!