Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Fix Eve by repairing its design priorities. Right now eve is severely misogynistic and appeals to an audience that over emphasizes the "neckbeard" demographic. Turning Eve less inherently (viciously) misogynistic will make it palatable to a wider audience, and not just "women in general".

Sadly, CCP itself seems to be a somewhat "one sided" and "color-blind" organisation.

http://poeticstanziel.blogspot.ca/2013/07/women-and-eve.html

"It's amusing you're in the CFC with all their "Redditors are MRA idiots" propaganda, since most of your comments on females come off like a whiny white dude who wants to be in his whiny white dude bro-club."

Because it's very well known women don't fart, never say bad words specially in their private channels and never have jokes about males nor have trash talking about males sex etc. amirite??

One is only a victim of his own stupidity and arrogance when he/she is unable to go over that "there's no women on the internet" or "all internet dudes are pubbies that never see a female sex in other places than youtube special chans or in fleet chats"
If some have trouble with basic jokes or take internet games/players too seriously they should stay away from PC's and get a console.

Whoever doesn't like Eve and its players jokes/behaviors can stay away from it, guy or girl no focks were given.

The article in the first post in quite good: you get trolled equally in Eve, male of female, Eve just doesn't offer a content that appeals to many female players.
Just implement Incarna properly, offer an ability to do interesting things in station with your avatar (and not a ship), to create things like clothing, customize an avatar for someone else (for a fee), and you'll see more female players.

No need to turn it into The Sims. But think of "Worlds of Darkness" and put it in Eve station, you'll get the female playerbase Eve is lacking at the moment.

And that is a problem because... ? ? ??? Bigger is not always better.

i'm not sure what the op wants ccp to do. i read the article and that says, when boiled down to the basics, that eve has little to offer female gamers and male attitudes has little to no effect on membership at least no more than any other mmo.

I think OP missed quite abit in Poetic's blog post there.

Look, this kind of "lets reach out to X demographic" stuff is baloney. Frankly, No matter how hard CCP tries to make EVE a woman friendly game, its just not going to change the fact that the vast majority of gamers who are interested in games LIKE eve are men.

The idea that CCP should make game features to bring demographic X into the game is the problem that caused the whole incarna fiasco in the first place. A bunch of neckbeards in iceland were trying to figure out what women wanted in EVE online, instead of what the hundred thousand other current REAL subscribers wanted. Developing this game to appeal to some etherial demographic X which may or may not appear because you put shoes, and a changing station into the game, or because you plugged a FPS inside the planets is entirely foolish, and has been proven in the past to just make us all angry.

While some of these development directions pay off (I think CCP is making money off Dust514, at least judging by how many times I get killed by Aurum purchased weapons) directions like Incarna did not.

This is not to say that things like incarana shouldn't be worked on, but rather that they should be approached from the direction "how can we make our subscribers happy?" rather than a "what if we could get Demographic X to be happy if they some how, some way found our game, and liked it?" Because developing for the former means everyone who matters is happy, and developing for the ladder leads down many dark roads of making EVE more like a fantasy RPG theme park, rather than a dynamic breathing world without end.

CCP should focus on the core game play: Creation and Destruction. Ethereal, unobtainable demographics be damned. I don't care if women don't play the game, I care that I play this game, and I want it to be the best game ever made.

I have been in corps with females and believe there are three types.

One type can handle their own, it takes a couple times of someone making a joke or sexual suggestion about them and getting a verbal choke slam and it gets pretty well sorted out. Dudes just treat her like any other pilot on the merits of her skills and the attempts at flirting/sexual innuendo pretty much go away. I have some former corpmates who are women who I still keep up with just because I respect them as pilots and people.

The second type can't/don't/won't hang with the rougher elements of EvE. Ive mostly encountered them in industrial/pve type activites and they quit early in their career because lets face it, industrial life is repetitive nails-on-chalkboard boring. When subjected to some 40yr old living in his mother's basements' "suggestion" they mutter some weak response and log. Or vent at another corp mate after the offender has logged. In either case they usually move on to other games.

The third, and to me the worst kind THRIVES off being a woman in an all male MMO. They flirt it up on comms, encourage every dude to more or less make corp look like a porn chat, get stupid horney dudes to give them stuff for free (to what end Im not sure), and generally cause chaos and drama. I've seen a good dozen corporations vaporized overnight by them-- in which case Im not sure which sex is the "victim" in the senario.

ITT: women dont like fun and interesting games because it confuses their pretty little heads.

I love how you can spell misogyny correctly in your post, but not in the thread title.