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New dev blog: Introducting the EVE Launcher

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Palovana
Inner Fire Inc.
#81 - 2011-11-09 16:39:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Palovana
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "launcher.py", line 30, in <module>
File "localization\__init__.pyc", line 34, in LoadLocalizationData
File "localization\localization.pyc", line 31, in __init__
File "localization\localization.pyc", line 58, in _LoadLanguageData
File "xml\dom\minidom.pyc", line 1911, in parse
File "xml\dom\expatbuilder.pyc", line 922, in parse
IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'launcher/localization.xml'

The above error is what I get in Wine. The Sisi version of "eve.exe" works with the same wine prefix and installation.

It tries to load and just says an error occurred and refers me to the launcher.exe.log file which is where the contents above are from.

Please support: export of settings in editable format

Your stuff goes here.
CCP Mandrake
C C P
C C P Alliance
#82 - 2011-11-09 16:40:00 UTC
Miliam Brinalle wrote:
Will there be an option to automatically skip it when there are not updates ? Will it slowdown the startup process ? The last thing I want is more wait and more pointless clicks to launch the game.

Also, will it be as ridiculously slow as SiSi launcher is when there is something to update ? ie. the long "calculating new patch" or "initializing" or whatever it is that it does. Hell, I remember checking it not long ago while it was stuck in "initializing" forever and it was stuck making hundreds of requests to an HTTP server. I seriously hope that it has improved since then.


I had been thinking of adding an option to the launcher settings that when set, the launcher window would not pop up unless there was an update. I decided against it at this stage as once set, it would lock you out of the launcher and always start eve directly until next time there is an update. But seeing as how many players are asking about this, i don't see why i shouldn't add this feature.

The launcher uses the same update mechanism as the repair tool, sisi launcher and the generic patches with some minor improvements.

The issue of the update mechanism making hundreds of http requests has been fixed though, so if this still happens, please let us know.

stuff
Kassasis Dakkstromri
State War Academy
Caldari State
#83 - 2011-11-09 16:41:15 UTC
CCP Mandrake wrote:
Sarmatiko wrote:
So it looks like Launcher using Internet Explorer engine installed in system.
I wonder why not to use Awesomium instead, its already in Eve client and standalone. If launcher supposed to be next "Initial installer", then you can always include awesomium.dll with launcher package, right?
IE give me creeps each time I think about it. Shocked

Also obviously IE context menu should be disabled.


We are working on putting awesomium into the launcher, IE is just a temporary placeholder.



Then next devblog please place a 'WIP" disclaimer on the image (I didn't notice one), as well as in the CCP video just posted.

You guys make alot of emo nerd rage when you don't specify WIP as opposed to insinuating a final design

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CCP Mandrake
C C P
C C P Alliance
#84 - 2011-11-09 16:44:20 UTC
Palovana wrote:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "launcher.py", line 30, in <module>
File "localization\__init__.pyc", line 34, in LoadLocalizationData
File "localization\localization.pyc", line 31, in __init__
File "localization\localization.pyc", line 58, in _LoadLanguageData
File "xml\dom\minidom.pyc", line 1911, in parse
File "xml\dom\expatbuilder.pyc", line 922, in parse
IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'launcher/localization.xml'

The above error is what I get in Wine. The Sisi version of "eve.exe" works with the same wine prefix and installation.

It tries to load and just says an error occurred and refers me to the launcher.exe.log file which is where the contents above are from.



Run the repair tool and it will fix it, you will have to run it with a special command line though ...

repair.exe --server=SISI

stuff
Arkady Sadik
Gradient
Electus Matari
#85 - 2011-11-09 16:45:28 UTC
Kassasis Dakkstromri wrote:
You guys make alot of emo nerd rage when you don't specify WIP as opposed to insinuating a final design
To be honest, I have not noticed a reduction in troll posts emo rage, regardless of whether it says "WIP", "just asking for comments" or nothing at all.
Asthariye
Angry Mustellid
#86 - 2011-11-09 16:46:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Asthariye
This sounds good, but I have one big concern.

I'm on a pretty bad connection (1.5mb down on a really good day) and I have a 50GB/month download limit. (Don't laugh, I live about 20 miles north of everything and it's the best available round here) My partner and I both play EVE, which means on patch day we'll be updating at least two computers. Does that mean we *have* to download the patch twice? That would be really annoying, considering the usual size of major patches - it would really eat into my monthly limit, not to mention take forever.

Will you still provide manual patch files that can be moved between PCs? That would really help me, and I'm sure there are many others in similar situations. (No, we are not in fact all on superfast unlimited fiberoptic....I'll take that as the joke I'm assuming it was intended as!)

Dev comment on this use case would be really good, I can't imagine I'm the only person for whom this is a problem.
Leon Razor
Measure Zero
#87 - 2011-11-09 16:49:07 UTC
CCP Mandrake wrote:
Miliam Brinalle wrote:
Will there be an option to automatically skip it when there are not updates ? Will it slowdown the startup process ? The last thing I want is more wait and more pointless clicks to launch the game.

Also, will it be as ridiculously slow as SiSi launcher is when there is something to update ? ie. the long "calculating new patch" or "initializing" or whatever it is that it does. Hell, I remember checking it not long ago while it was stuck in "initializing" forever and it was stuck making hundreds of requests to an HTTP server. I seriously hope that it has improved since then.


I had been thinking of adding an option to the launcher settings that when set, the launcher window would not pop up unless there was an update. I decided against it at this stage as once set, it would lock you out of the launcher and always start eve directly until next time there is an update. But seeing as how many players are asking about this, i don't see why i shouldn't add this feature.

The launcher uses the same update mechanism as the repair tool, sisi launcher and the generic patches with some minor improvements.

The issue of the update mechanism making hundreds of http requests has been fixed though, so if this still happens, please let us know.



Please give us auto-launch. Just put an option in the client settings menu that toggles this option.
Miliam Brinalle
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2011-11-09 16:49:13 UTC
CCP Mandrake wrote:

I had been thinking of adding an option to the launcher settings that when set, the launcher window would not pop up unless there was an update. I decided against it at this stage as once set, it would lock you out of the launcher and always start eve directly until next time there is an update. But seeing as how many players are asking about this, i don't see why i shouldn't add this feature.


Please do. Keep in mind that a lot of us have launch several clients for our alts, it would get pretty annoying quickly having to dismiss the launcher for every client.

Regarding the updater, I guess it is not that bad since there aren't updates that often anyway, but really the update process shouldn't need to check every file as the repair tool does.
Neo Agricola
Gallente Federation
#89 - 2011-11-09 16:49:17 UTC
Asthariye wrote:
Dev comment on this use case would be really good, I can't imagine I'm the only person for whom this is a problem.

+1
hate the Idea of updating X clients on 3 different systems with my bandwith...

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Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#90 - 2011-11-09 17:00:34 UTC
CCP Topknot wrote:
Akara Ito wrote:
Please add an option to set a maximum download speed

This is already in there.


Hmm, what is this?

Looking for a share of the Veritas/Diagoras free boose bit?

Looking good, but you'll have to provide a lil bit more before you reach that level.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
Lors Dornick
Kallisti Industries
#91 - 2011-11-09 17:03:58 UTC
CCP Mandrake wrote:
Palovana wrote:
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "launcher.py", line 30, in <module>
File "localization\__init__.pyc", line 34, in LoadLocalizationData
File "localization\localization.pyc", line 31, in __init__
File "localization\localization.pyc", line 58, in _LoadLanguageData
File "xml\dom\minidom.pyc", line 1911, in parse
File "xml\dom\expatbuilder.pyc", line 922, in parse
IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'launcher/localization.xml'

The above error is what I get in Wine. The Sisi version of "eve.exe" works with the same wine prefix and installation.

It tries to load and just says an error occurred and refers me to the launcher.exe.log file which is where the contents above are from.



Run the repair tool and it will fix it, you will have to run it with a special command line though ...

repair.exe --server=SISI


And here we have Mandrake, also wanting to have free alcohol;)

Good try, work harder, we'll judge you all at fanfest.

CCP Greyscale: As to starbases, we agree it's pretty terrible, but we don't want to delay the entire release just for this one factor.
Raid'En
#92 - 2011-11-09 17:04:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Raid'En
CCP Mandrake wrote:


The launcher will not interfere with your settings. By having two clients in two separate folders you will have two different launchers as well, each starting eve up with that specific client settings as usual.

you realize it wil be a pain for us to have all these things launch, while we only need one patcher ?
i often launch all clients at the same time, and i really don't want tons of launchers poping at the same time for no reason.

CCP Mandrake wrote:

I had been thinking of adding an option to the launcher settings that when set, the launcher window would not pop up unless there was an update. I decided against it at this stage as once set, it would lock you out of the launcher and always start eve directly until next time there is an update. But seeing as how many players are asking about this, i don't see why i shouldn't add this feature.

given you're strongly copying how wow launcher works, don't forget it as also a checkbox on the options to let the launcher always appear, or only when there's a new patch.
give us the same checkbox please.
CCP Mandrake
C C P
C C P Alliance
#93 - 2011-11-09 17:04:44 UTC
Faith Sunstrider wrote:
Multi threaded downloads? Check
Repair option in the launcher? Check
EVE news feed? Check
Ability to run eve.exe? Check

I don't get the rant. Launchers are cool and useful (for both dev team and players). If you don't like it, just launch the eve.exe.
Thanks for the launcher (I really loved the multi threaded download, but increasing "the parts" from 5 to 10 would be awesome).


if you wish to increase the download threads from 5 to 10, click the settings link in the launcher and move the thingy that says download threads from 5 to 10 :D

stuff
Harleigh
Genbuku.
Psycho Unicorn Squad
#94 - 2011-11-09 17:09:16 UTC
Tetris....


Any good launcher needs Tetris to help pass the time while watching a progress bar ;)

Other then that , awesome work. See what happens when you guys don't waste time building space barbies ? :)
AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
#95 - 2011-11-09 17:09:34 UTC
Do not like.

Feels too world-of-tanky.

I am a big fan of the current way I enter New Eden (and it isn't by hitting a big button that says 'PLAY'.)

This is not an improvement (unless it is either optional or only pops up when there is an update.) "The idea here is to keep it as simple as possible." That's what I have already (if you can make it simpler, great.)
Mr LaForge
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#96 - 2011-11-09 17:10:08 UTC
What effect will this have on the speed in which patches come out? Will this allow for more patches to be produced in less time? Right now we get 2 expansions a year and patches to fix those. Will this allow us to see 'balancing patches' or 'small content patches'?

Stuff Goes here
Malkav Rushnikov
Dynamic Mass
#97 - 2011-11-09 17:10:52 UTC
Frankly, I don't like launchers for other games and I don't like that EVE is following the trend. When I click the icon to play a game, I don't want to press another button to confirm that I do in fact want to play the game. Fortunately, I am a Mac user so it doesn't affect me. So I'm still happy.
Salpun
Global Telstar Federation Offices
Masters of Flying Objects
#98 - 2011-11-09 17:13:14 UTC
Is it working on sisi now? People are talking about it like it is but Sisi launcher is not updating.
What?

If i dont know something about EVE. I check https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/ISK_The_Guide

See you around the universe.
ITTigerClawIK
Galactic Rangers
#99 - 2011-11-09 17:16:56 UTC
is there an "Add" free version we can purchase for 1000 AUR?????
Arth Lawing
Penumbra Institute
#100 - 2011-11-09 17:17:43 UTC
Raid'En wrote:
CCP Mandrake wrote:


The launcher will not interfere with your settings. By having two clients in two separate folders you will have two different launchers as well, each starting eve up with that specific client settings as usual.

you realize it wil be a pain for us to have all these things launch, while we only need one patcher ?
i often launch all clients at the same time, and i really don't want tons of launchers poping at the same time for no reason.

CCP Mandrake wrote:

I had been thinking of adding an option to the launcher settings that when set, the launcher window would not pop up unless there was an update. I decided against it at this stage as once set, it would lock you out of the launcher and always start eve directly until next time there is an update. But seeing as how many players are asking about this, i don't see why i shouldn't add this feature.

given you're strongly copying how wow launcher works, don't forget it as also a checkbox on the options to let the launcher always appear, or only when there's a new patch.
give us the same checkbox please.


This sounds like sense.
No patches, no launchers.
And definitely no half a dozen launchers popping up for half a dozen clients.