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Suicide Ganking: coming to an end?

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Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#741 - 2011-11-09 04:00:14 UTC
MeestaPenni wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
And then I have to wonder why they feel they are entitled to gather resources while not playing the game.


Dunno....maybe because they've paid a subscription?

Just tossing that out there.

Then as long as I pay a subscription I should be allowed to run a courier mission bot?

Just tossing that out there.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#742 - 2011-11-09 04:01:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Corina Jarr
cpu939 wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Corina Jarr wrote:
Try mining while aligned (I'll leave it to another to state how this works, I've done it 4 times in the past week and its getting tiresome). It actually works!!Shocked

Then your ganKers where noobs not worth to call them selve "Pirate".

Maybe one of this "you can PvP with 1 week" chars some of you allways like to provide.
Yea, with 1 week (or month) you can just scare miners ... but not ganK them.

Terrible wasted time to try it with that amount of points *sig*.

You obviously have not tried it, or even know what I refer to. It works on experienced gankers just as well as noob gankers. Heck, it works on heavy interdictors in WH space.


experiened ganked would look for another target or bump you

cloaky hualer finds the target he is not aligned gankers warp in - dead ship
cloaky hualer finds the target he is aligned hual gets in range and bumps ship - no agro you can't fire on him or your concord gankers lol (so do i) - gankers gank your ship

any ganker that wont bump an alinged ship is a noob


If a cloaky hauler bumps an aligned miner... the miner could easily regain speed and warp (which he should do immidietly) in less than 3 seconds. Unless they panic... (Note: exception being if the hauler managed to get in front of the miner...)

If not aligned: someone wins the lottery once in a while.

Oh and the rule tends to be if someone decloaks, warp. Depending on speed, the miner would have 1-2 seconds to click warp between the time the hauler decloaked and it actually bumping the miner.
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#743 - 2011-11-09 04:01:23 UTC
MeestaPenni wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
And then I have to wonder why they feel they are entitled to gather resources while not playing the game.


Dunno....maybe because they've paid a subscription?

Just tossing that out there.


Am I entitled to having a Level 80 character in WOW if I subscribe, then leave the game window open with my character chilling in town?

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
#744 - 2011-11-09 04:18:35 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
MeestaPenni wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
And then I have to wonder why they feel they are entitled to gather resources while not playing the game.


Dunno....maybe because they've paid a subscription?

Just tossing that out there.

Then as long as I pay a subscription I should be allowed to run a courier mission bot?

Just tossing that out there.


That's got to be one of the crappiest forum tactics ever.

You made a comment that suggested a possible answer should be provided. I provided a possible answer......a perfectly legitimate answer as well.

Then you draft a question that attempts to rephrase my answer as a conclusion to a different question. Shame on you. Let's break it down.

"why they feel they are entitled"

Because they paid a subscription.

"while not playing the game"

That one's better said truthfully, "while not playing the game the way I want them to."

A "bot", defined as some software or script that automates repetitive actions in a user interface, is genuinely "not playing the game." Warping to a belt, targeting an asteroid, turning on the lasers and waiting, is playing the game in a way you do not like them to.

Unless you're providing the subscription for a particular miner, or have somehow figured out the trick of detecting what is happening on the other side of a particular miner's monitor, and it can't be categorically established that a bot is in use, you, nor I, have any particular authority to pass any judgment on any player's sense of entitlement.

Now, can you answer these specific points? Or do you wish to frame them as a conclusion to another totally different question?

I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
#745 - 2011-11-09 04:19:17 UTC
Krios Ahzek wrote:
MeestaPenni wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
And then I have to wonder why they feel they are entitled to gather resources while not playing the game.


Dunno....maybe because they've paid a subscription?

Just tossing that out there.


Am I entitled to having a Level 80 character in WOW if I subscribe, then leave the game window open with my character chilling in town?


Is that supposed to mean something within the context here?

I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.
cpu939
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#746 - 2011-11-09 04:22:09 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
cpu939 wrote:
i love how you see fit to judge other players, your a miner you must hate yourself, its a game and game are ment to be fun for all players.

There is not a single thing about the current mining mechanic that is fun. The only reason I ever see people list when asked why they mine is that it's somehow relaxing or something they can do afk. And then I have to wonder why they feel they are entitled to gather resources while not playing the game.

cpu939 wrote:
ganking can be fun i have done it.

Excellent! Come help us out in the Gallente ice belts!.


i'm not going to help you, wont stop you but will not help you

Ladie Harlot wrote:
cpu939 wrote:
my question is when does ganking become griefing?

Never unless CCP changes their ToS. The absolute best part of the ice interdiction is the several people who have sent us rl death threats after we blew them up which results in their account getting permabanned because rl death threats are against the ToS and suicide ganking is not.


you know i had to look some stuff up and its even on the evelopedia

Suicidegank griefing

a popular practice griefing miners, which are several days in the same System or easy to find with locator service agents. The agressors will try to kill a exhumer with a group of cheap ships.

there are no rules against killing miners in suicideganks

but i still wonder if you kill the same person over and over again if that counts as griffing?
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#747 - 2011-11-09 04:27:27 UTC
MeestaPenni wrote:
Krios Ahzek wrote:
MeestaPenni wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
And then I have to wonder why they feel they are entitled to gather resources while not playing the game.


Dunno....maybe because they've paid a subscription?

Just tossing that out there.


Am I entitled to having a Level 80 character in WOW if I subscribe, then leave the game window open with my character chilling in town?


Is that supposed to mean something within the context here?


Context: AFK in EVE = AFK in wow = You're not entitled to anything even if you're subbed.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
cpu939
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#748 - 2011-11-09 04:30:50 UTC
Krios Ahzek wrote:
MeestaPenni wrote:
Krios Ahzek wrote:
MeestaPenni wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
And then I have to wonder why they feel they are entitled to gather resources while not playing the game.


Dunno....maybe because they've paid a subscription?

Just tossing that out there.


Am I entitled to having a Level 80 character in WOW if I subscribe, then leave the game window open with my character chilling in town?


Is that supposed to mean something within the context here?


Context: AFK in EVE = AFK in wow = You're not entitled to anything even if you're subbed.


but if in wow i tell my charator (if i had one) to attack an npc or mine and went afk would that not be the same as pressing f1-f8 and going afk in eve
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#749 - 2011-11-09 04:31:52 UTC
cpu939 wrote:
but i still wonder if you kill the same person over and over again if that counts as griffing?

If you were to follow somebody from system to system, blowing them up each time they found a new belt and did this for months and months I could maybe see a case made for griefing but if it's the same person warping to the same belt in the same system over and over and over again (especially when the gankers are running a well-publicized interdiction in that system) then no it wouldn't be.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
cpu939
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#750 - 2011-11-09 04:34:20 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
cpu939 wrote:
but i still wonder if you kill the same person over and over again if that counts as griffing?

If you were to follow somebody from system to system, blowing them up each time they found a new belt and did this for months and months I could maybe see a case made for griefing but if it's the same person warping to the same belt in the same system over and over and over again (especially when the gankers are running a well-publicized interdiction in that system) then no it wouldn't be.


can see your point but i might say hours over months depending on both parties playing times
Salah Loveless
Deep Space Exploration and Settlement INC
#751 - 2011-11-09 04:59:23 UTC
Might have to do with the new BS's being an ultimate gank platform.

Alot of grievers crying under false pretense of no space should be safe they should fight back. Kinda like going to a preschool with a baseball bat whacking kids and claiming they should fight their own battles like men and police should not get involved.

Highsec is supposed to be safe. Why it exist. CCP is punishing some carebears with this, and I of course refer to carebear pvpers that can only pvp in the safety of highsec, because like their mission running prey, are to afraid to enter low sec.

He maybe no High sec war dec would make sense? It will force the carebear pvpers even more so to actually stop being carebears and go to lowsec . Because if they are going to force some carebears into lowsec why not the ones crying 24/7 over lack of PvP opportunities? Besides what police/government is going to let what amounts to gang warfare happen right in their own back yard?

Anyone else got Ideas on how to get these carebears into the PvP they claim to crave?
Richard Aiel
The Merchants of War
#752 - 2011-11-09 05:07:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Aiel
MeestaPenni wrote:


Unless you're providing the subscription for a particular miner, or have somehow figured out the trick of detecting what is happening on the other side of a particular miner's monitor, and it can't be categorically established that a bot is in use, you, nor I, have any particular authority to pass any judgment on any player's sense of entitlement.


Kinda in the same way CCP says we're supposed to report cxharacters we think have been recycled to avoid a sec hit.

Man thats such a ******** idea I just have to say it at least once a day

An yeah there really is no griefing in EVE, and if there is by way of a technicality in a rule somewhere, its NEVER enforced.

To the above poster: Those are BCs - battlecruisers

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Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#753 - 2011-11-09 05:14:04 UTC
Salah Loveless wrote:
Might have to do with the new BS's being an ultimate gank platform.

Alot of grievers crying under false pretense of no space should be safe they should fight back. Kinda like going to a preschool with a baseball bat whacking kids and claiming they should fight their own battles like men and police should not get involved.

Highsec is supposed to be safe. Why it exist. CCP is punishing some carebears with this, and I of course refer to carebear pvpers that can only pvp in the safety of highsec, because like their mission running prey, are to afraid to enter low sec.

He maybe no High sec war dec would make sense? It will force the carebear pvpers even more so to actually stop being carebears and go to lowsec . Because if they are going to force some carebears into lowsec why not the ones crying 24/7 over lack of PvP opportunities? Besides what police/government is going to let what amounts to gang warfare happen right in their own back yard?

Anyone else got Ideas on how to get these carebears into the PvP they claim to crave?

So you propose that everyone in high-sec be given absolute pvp immunity? Interesting. I guess I'll start up a few dozen bot alts, run them 23.5/7/365, and flood the market so badly that you won't be able to find a reason to undock ever again, no matter how much you try to rub your two brain cells together.

PS: The reason we don't go to lowsec isn't because we're scared (we're not you, stop self-projecting), but because it's empty. Maybe you should visit it sometime, so you have some qualification to make claims about it.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Richard Aiel
The Merchants of War
#754 - 2011-11-09 05:18:56 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Salah Loveless wrote:
Might have to do with the new BS's being an ultimate gank platform.

Alot of grievers crying under false pretense of no space should be safe they should fight back. Kinda like going to a preschool with a baseball bat whacking kids and claiming they should fight their own battles like men and police should not get involved.

Highsec is supposed to be safe. Why it exist. CCP is punishing some carebears with this, and I of course refer to carebear pvpers that can only pvp in the safety of highsec, because like their mission running prey, are to afraid to enter low sec.

He maybe no High sec war dec would make sense? It will force the carebear pvpers even more so to actually stop being carebears and go to lowsec . Because if they are going to force some carebears into lowsec why not the ones crying 24/7 over lack of PvP opportunities? Besides what police/government is going to let what amounts to gang warfare happen right in their own back yard?

Anyone else got Ideas on how to get these carebears into the PvP they claim to crave?

So you propose that everyone in high-sec be given absolute pvp immunity? Interesting. I guess I'll start up a few dozen bot alts, run them 23.5/7/365, and flood the market so badly that you won't be able to find a reason to undock ever again, no matter how much you try to rub your two brain cells together.

PS: The reason we don't go to lowsec isn't because we're scared (we're not you, stop self-projecting), but because it's empty. Maybe you should visit it sometime, so you have some qualification to make claims about it.


The reason I dont go into 0.0 often is cause low-sec ISNT empty. Its full of gatecamps that make it impossible to GET into 0.0 unless you do it minutes after DT is over lol

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Salah Loveless
Deep Space Exploration and Settlement INC
#755 - 2011-11-09 05:19:51 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Salah Loveless wrote:
Might have to do with the new BS's being an ultimate gank platform.

Alot of grievers crying under false pretense of no space should be safe they should fight back. Kinda like going to a preschool with a baseball bat whacking kids and claiming they should fight their own battles like men and police should not get involved.

Highsec is supposed to be safe. Why it exist. CCP is punishing some carebears with this, and I of course refer to carebear pvpers that can only pvp in the safety of highsec, because like their mission running prey, are to afraid to enter low sec.

He maybe no High sec war dec would make sense? It will force the carebear pvpers even more so to actually stop being carebears and go to lowsec . Because if they are going to force some carebears into lowsec why not the ones crying 24/7 over lack of PvP opportunities? Besides what police/government is going to let what amounts to gang warfare happen right in their own back yard?

Anyone else got Ideas on how to get these carebears into the PvP they claim to crave?

So you propose that everyone in high-sec be given absolute pvp immunity? Interesting. I guess I'll start up a few dozen bot alts, run them 23.5/7/365, and flood the market so badly that you won't be able to find a reason to undock ever again, no matter how much you try to rub your two brain cells together.

PS: The reason we don't go to lowsec isn't because we're scared (we're not you, stop self-projecting), but because it's empty. Maybe you should visit it sometime, so you have some qualification to make claims about it.


Boting, if I am not mistaken is bannable. Seems much like the Iraq war switched from WMD's to freeing the people once WMD proved false all the carebear pvpers are changing from PvP should stay in EvE to we need to stop bots and afk mining profit once it was pointed out that they are more than free to leave their carebear lives and go PvP in null sec. Has anyone else notice the change?
Richard Aiel
The Merchants of War
#756 - 2011-11-09 05:27:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Aiel
Salah Loveless wrote:


Boting, if I am not mistaken is bannable. Seems much like the Iraq war switched from WMD's to freeing the people once WMD proved false all the carebear pvpers are changing from PvP should stay in EvE to we need to stop bots and afk mining profit once it was pointed out that they are more than free to leave their carebear lives and go PvP in null sec. Has anyone else notice the change?


New version of Godwin's Law?

but yeah, botting is bannable. However the big 0.0 corps "arent the police of EVE" (unless theyre in high sec ganking miners then theyre instructed to report everyone they gank cause theyre all bots).

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Salah Loveless
Deep Space Exploration and Settlement INC
#757 - 2011-11-09 05:31:50 UTC
PS: The reason we don't go to lowsec isn't because we're scared (we're not you, stop self-projecting), but because it's empty. Maybe you should visit it sometime, so you have some qualification to make claims about it.[/quote]


Also been there. It is where I go to PvP. i guess I could just fit a ship woth mass DPS and kill the weakest thing in highsec and scan out mission runners that are near poped before I even arrive but what is the point in that?
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#758 - 2011-11-09 05:39:16 UTC
But of course you do.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Salah Loveless
Deep Space Exploration and Settlement INC
#759 - 2011-11-09 05:57:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Salah Loveless
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
But of course you do.


I do

But if I did not I am not the one on the forums crying about lack of "PvP opertunities" or that EvE is changing and we can no longer PvP since it will be more costly to force it in Highsec., when the game designed PvP low and null sec is but a few jumps away. You guys are like idiots at a socer game wanting to bounce the ball with your hands and throw it up into a net rather than kick it into a goal and expect everyone to follow suite rather than just going to the basketball game across the park, but of course there the players know how to play basketball and you might have a challange.
Joshua Aivoras
Tech IV Industries
#760 - 2011-11-09 06:01:48 UTC
Quit crying and just fit a damn cargo scanner.

95% of the players are loving EVE, the other 5%? On the forums.