Missions & Complexes

Thanks for fixing the OTA walls in VG systems.

But now we have the same problem again in the AS systems. After a few h all AS systems have full NCN walls. Reason: They take much longer than the other AS sites. Also if you compare them with VG/HQ. And due to the buggy (cause Tier3 BC can take the gate, but command ships can't wtf) gates you have to refit/adjust the fleet composition.

So please go fix the NCN walls. So just remove the BS gate and the 3 BS pockets for example and change the cruiser gate so all ships can take it. Not much work but would help a lot.

Atm most run VG or HQ. Noone wants to do AS due to the ncn walls. Thus the VG and HQ systems are very crowded and the AS systems are empty.

You are wrong. Payout is about 1/2 of the other AS sites. Also there is no need for 2 FCs in HQ. Squad commanders in HQ do nothing than forwarding the boosts. And a logi commander is not the same than an FC. Also LC basically cannot be FC (or at least is is hard to do it). And it is also good to have a LC in all AS and HQ sites. So there is no need to split the site. And cruisers are also ok for HQs and all other sites. Even if they are not necessary, they have their role in all sites.

I thought long and hard about responding to this and decided it wasn’t worth it, and then I got bored and changed my mind.

Incursions are already so easy they attract new players with less than 3 months of skills. Making a site, any site, easier will further exacerbate the issue of High Sec farms and general hatred towards anything PVE.

An NCN can be completed in 12 minutes, this is on par with the other sites so its payout is not halved, although it is more difficult than other AS sites due to the extra rooms and different ships.

Your right there is no need for two FC’s in an HQ fleet, as is demonstrated by many communities every day that manage to make ISK by getting 39 robots to hit F1 over and over and manage to somehow not lose so many ships that 39 robots show up tomorrow to do it again.

But if you really want your group to succeed then each squad commander takes their squad and hits the target their particular ship is designed or fitted to hit. For example a Vindi squad that manoeuvres in on spawn points so they are able to apply 1800 actual dps to Webbed targets. Long squad commander that ensures the Artillery is always 40km to 55km from the spawns so the full 15,000 Mach Volleys are taking them out before it ever starts to hurt the fleet. And a mid range Nightmare squad that manages the middle ground cleaning up frigs and applying 1300 DPS to anything with a transversal that would make the other two squads waste shots. Finally a Logi Commander that ensures tracking links are distributed to all inherently low tracking ships and range scripts given to low falloff ships, while visually verifying the current agro and the competence of the logis at work. All this is getting done while the Primary FC tags, counts spawns, scouts sites, adds new recruits to the wait list, removes tired players from the fleet, and manages comms to keep it clear for verbal commands. I fly in one of these fleets every day.

Or you can fly with a group that chats on comms like a Saturday at the ‘Old Biddy Hair Salon’, runs their logi and dps squad by whoever shows up, immediately aligns to the next site when a contest is imminent, and then rage kills the mom when they feel like they weren’t given a fair shake.

And as far as cruisers go, yes they are needed in Incursions, in an NCN.

Sorry but I have to stick my 2 isk in here …

You say that there are walls of these sites in the Assault systems and no one is doing them, it is pointed out above that they can be done in a similar time as the other Assault sites.

Surely this means that a fleet set up for these sites is going to have a field day - no contests, plenty of sites, many many isks and so on. Yes they require a bit more effort but worth it IMHO, so why not stop asking for changes and build a specialist fleet to run these sites all day long?

There were groups that loved running the old OTA’s as no one else would do them so why not NCN’s?

Chris I agree it is frustrating sitting there watching game content that is not getting used while other content is filled to the rim with mouth-breathers. I would love to see them change NCN’s to make them 2 rooms and the final room rather than the 3 and final they have now. I wouldn’t want them to get rid of the cruiser side; incursions need the entry level access it creates and personally I loved doing them. (In Nados and scimi’s)

The original OTA fix was unnecessary, the DDD days were not hurting anyone. Only reason it was changed was to appease the Nul sec mouth-breathers and their tears of ‘’Carebears make too much ISK’’. Then CCP hit OTA’s so hard my group went from ‘running’ them in 2 minutes, to ‘surviving’ them in 6 minutes. But then the forums erupted with more tears ‘’they are too hard and we keep losing ships’’ So CCP took another stab at it, and another stab, and finally one last stab to give us what we call OTA’s today. 6 months of changing rigs on ships, fleet composition, kill orders and all the while losing staple members to WH’s, Nul, FW or anything else that wasn’t in a state of constant change.

I speak for myself and probably more than a few veterans when I say ‘’Please CCP don’t fix anything, PLEASE!’’ For all our sakes just don’t.

I love assault sites and was found of NCN's too they are not hard at all but they do require skilled pilots that have their own logistic chain to drag NCN specific ships along.

If you don't have ppl ready to swap on the fly it start sucking real fast also like any other site ship need to be high dps and that means it cost=that orca you dragging that ship with t3 ogb and logi just become sweeter target...

More effort should be more rewarded and there would be no NCN walls..change few payment numbers...simple imo.

Well at least shields got thier OTA site FIXED Armour was NERFED to hell in ALL the sites especially NCOs. CCP hates armour PvE

I know how they could work that out.

Fly shields