EVE General Discussion

Who would I be the enemy of?

There is a kind of player who is little more than an ISK -snatcher. This is the type of player who rages if the mining bonus of their ship gets dropped 2 percent. To that kind of player I cannot think of a game for them. When it's all about racking up ISK ISK and more ISK and ANYTHING that take away so much as .01 ISK means the game is broken to them, I don't know what to say.

Yes they do exist. But I know what kind of game a griefer is playing, and what kind a PVPer is after, as well as what the 0.0 and lowsec people in all their various stripes are after (exploration, fleet fights, conquest, good stuff). But these ISK fanatics are almost as bad as the KM addicts.

There was an EvE banner ad a while back that shows clips of game activities over a ever-increasing number meter that looks like an ISKometer. I think that kind of advertising attracted the sort of person whose entire reality is based on that number being bigger and not getting smaller. I would say that a KM addict is such a person who got ganked or that such a person into racking up big ISK number might have once been a KM addict who got ganked. Either way they have a strange obsession and they would be better off working as bond traders.

Highsec carebear pubbies are just about the worst people in Eve (roleplayers are still the absolute worst). These are the people that play Eve like its a single player game and provide absolutely nothing to the community at large. They sit and mine rocks for hours or run level 4 missions for hours to make isk to buy better ships that they will use to mine rocks for hours or run level 4 missions for hours. Then they have the nerve to complain about how nullsec works. Or how aggression mechanics work. Or ***** and moan about missions being boring until CCP gifts them Incursions...the greatest isk-making machine with zero risk ever seen in the game. It's a tragedy that CCP drove so many real Eve players out of the game in the last 18 months because now they *have* to cater to the pubbie hordes just to keep the lights on. It's a sad thing to see.

You don't need to look for any deep meaning. It's fun to make pubbies rage and that's why we do it. Where they live is irrelevant but since most of them live in highsec that's where we go to blow them up.

When I talked about CCP running people out of the game I meant all the people who used to live in nullsec that quit because of supercaps online and the sanctum nerf. Most of them haven't returned and have been replaced by people who think the game should have a PvP on/off flag.

I'm not saying either of those things and I'm confused about why you think I am.

Which was exactly my point when I said that it was too bad that CCP ran real Eve players (people who understood that the Eve universe was supposed to be a harsh place) out of the game because now they *have* to cater to the highsec carebears just to stay in business. It wasn't a complicated concept and I'm not sure why you were confused about it.

According to Eve Offline 48k isn't a vast improvement. There are new people coming in but not the huge numbers you seem to think. There are a bunch of older players that are waiting to see what happens with the Winter expansion to see if they're coming back or not.

The only time an activity in game is not PvP is ship spinning, CQing, and sometimes when you gank (if you hit a bot).

Everything else is a player vs another player (or more).


For your benefit, PvP = player verses player, meaning only one side need to participate as long as there are two (or more) players involved.

And there are ways to be safer while mining. Most don't use them because they want to play easymode. Fine, they can do that. It means the gankers get easymode too.

This goon has a heart... a sore heart, burdened by the weight of having to suffer people who want to be left alone in their Internet Spaceship.

Don't grieve, formerly lulzy and now weary griefer ! CCP knows fully well how to make a profit. If EvE gameplay condones griefing, it's not because CCP wants to make a few thousand online sociopaths happy, but because those people have a rather positive effect on the playerbase count: they keep it small, hence manageable on a single server, and motivate people to buy secondary accounts, as well as PLEX.

The insurance nerf is in no way hampering, as it has been said. The new BCs are a clear sign that ganking is here to stay.

While I agree to some extent (not being much of a PvPer myself) that ganking is a part of the game and should not be completely removed, I do think that the opinions of some of the players in this thread are treading a little too close to the "remove security levels completely" line. If ganking is made too easy, then no space will be even remotely safe, which is the whole point of highsec: a place where noobs won't get ganked when they first step in the door, or a place where people who aren't much into PvP can relax a bit (though, of course, not completely, due to gankers).

I'm not saying ganking and scams should disappear completely, but that they shouldn't be allowed to get excessively out of control in empire space. To use a sandbox metaphor, yes, you can kick someone's sandcastle down, but does that mean that you should be allowed to ruin everyone's day by kicking down all the sandcastles in sight just because they aren't what you think they should look like? (Especially when someone's never done it before. They're probably going to leave the sandbox and find some place where they can at least get the hang of things first.) If ganking gets out of control, any new players come in will probably leave after they get ganked 10+ times and not return, in addition to all the carebears who don't like explosions. Myself included - I play casually, and don't have a massive income, but does that mean I shouldn't be able to ever afford to fly expensive ships just because some jerk feels that carebearing is stupid and keeps blowing my ships up before I can make a decent living?

My point is, PvP is supplemented by player presence and minerals. If all but the most hardcore leave the game, all the miners selling minerals, the noobs and high-sec casuals buying ships, etc. will mostly be gone, leaving the game with a severe deficit of...well...pretty much everything.

TL;DR: Yes, ganking is good because more ships get sold, but being allowed to kill everyone you see = subscription decrease, lack of minerals, ship sinks gone = smaller game = less-funded game = FREEVE Online = sucky. And if you say "EVE Online is a PvP game", I will laugh at your narrowmindedness. I never joined EVE with the intention of PvPing, and although I'm starting to now, that doesn't mean I won't leave if this becomes a gankfest. A gank a day keeps the market in play, but a gank an hour leaves the market cold and sour.

Thank you for reading this massive message.

EDIT: Grief =/= Gank, silly me...