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Can the miner ganking be stopped now without intervention from CCP?

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Jenshae Chiroptera
#1 - 2011-11-09 01:08:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenshae Chiroptera
Okay, just to cover the bases, let us run through the general tips for mining in dangerous areas.


  • Tank up - implants, CPU rigs, Damage Control, et cetera.
  • Carry drones - ECM if they haven't been nerfed yet might help.
  • Book mark two points - drift between them along the length of the belt, with "Approach" at 0.75 of top speed then if someone arrives, your speed is up to instantly warp away to them.
  • D-scan - find a good guide that will help you set up your D-scan. You want to watch it for approaching ships and warp away.


I also suggest you might want to stop looking at your fellow miners as competition but now as compatriots.
Make an intelligence channel so that you know what system the gankers are active in, try to put out scouts, start marking them with negative standing so that they have to keep making more alts to get the same results.

Then come back and let us know how this goes, so that CCP have some concrete information to act upon.

Edit: Maybe a way to fix the case of ice mining is to put ice in anomalies? Then you get the warning of probes seeking you out.

Malcanis wrote:
...
What if mining were something like the old asteroids game, where you used your mining lasers to blow the crap out of asteroids until they're in small enough pieces to scoop up into your mining ship's gaping maw by actively flying it to do so? zapzapzap! omnomnom!

Mining becomes an active-piloting activity involving real player skill. Miners pay attention and get ganked less. It becomes way harder to multibox efficiently, so mineral prices rise, capitals become expensive again, people actually care about T1 hull prices. A low denomination Interbus postage stamp is issued with my face on it.

Everybody is happy.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Mortis vonShadow
Balanaz Mining and Development Inc.
#2 - 2011-11-09 01:13:17 UTC
I thought you were bored with everything since you are the best at everything you try? Why this interest with EVE Online mining which I'm sure you will get bored with soon.

Some days you're the bug, and some days your the windscreen.                   And some days, you're just a man with a gun.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#3 - 2011-11-09 01:14:27 UTC
Mortis vonShadow wrote:
I thought ...


Please try to keep your comments on topic, thanks. Blink

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Stahlregen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2011-11-09 01:15:53 UTC
Also go get a root.

EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A VHS INTO THE SLOT. IT'S CHRONICLES OF RIDDICK AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I START DOING THE MOVES ALONGSIDE THE MAIN CHARACTER, RIDDICK. I DO EVERY MOVE AND I DO EVERY MOVE HARD. MAKIN' WHOOSHING SOUNDS WHEN I SLAM DOWN SOME NECRO BASTARDS. NOT MANY CAN SAY THEY ESCAPED THE GALAXY'S MOST DANGEROUS PRISON. I CAN.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#5 - 2011-11-09 01:23:44 UTC
Miners have been able to mitigate ganking since ganking was discovered. However, because it's much easier to get a free ride, they will instead play victim in order to get CCP to capitulate, and do their job for them. Considering the direction the game has been heading in, it's much more favorable for miners to not look after their own safety. Mama bear will be there to make the mean wolves go away.

Unfortunately, the carebears grossly underestimate how motivated hungry wolves become. Safety is a concept most fleeting, while they still roam the forest.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Krios Ahzek
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2011-11-09 01:28:37 UTC
Buy an Eve account for your dog and train him to bark when he senses a gank approaching.

Animals have sixth senses for sensing danger.

 Though All Men Do Despise Us
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2011-11-09 01:30:55 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Okay, just to cover the bases, let us run through the general tips for mining in dangerous areas.


  • Tank up - implants, CPU rigs, Damage Control, et cetera.
  • Carry drones - ECM if they haven't been nerfed yet might help.
  • Align to a safe point.
  • Book mark two points - drift between them along the length of the belt, with "Approach" then if someone arrives, your speed is up to instantly warp away to them.
  • D-scan - find a good guide that will help you set up your D-scan. You want to watch it for approaching ships and warp away.


I also suggest you might want to stop looking at your fellow miners as competition but now as compatriots.
Make an intelligence channel so that you know what system the gankers are active in, try to put out scouts, start marking them with negative standing so that they have to keep making more alts to get the same results.

Then come back and let us know how this goes, so that CCP have some concrete information to act upon.

Most miners have zero interest in saving their exhumers from being ganked by following your suggestions. They feel they are entitled to afk mine while doing other things.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Sverige Pahis
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-11-09 01:36:35 UTC
I heard a good way to avoid the gallente ice mining suicide ganks is to simply not mine in gallente space c/d
Vigdis Thorisdottir
Doomheim
#9 - 2011-11-09 01:45:53 UTC
I'm all for the ganking to continue. Not because I find it entertaining or funny or sporting in any way.

But because I get pissed when I need to talk to someone in my lame industry corp, see them online, then try to talk to them only to find they're afk mining. With all the ganking going on, my corp channel is dead, but at least I know the people who are in it are actually playing the game.

Play and pay attention to your game and it's easy to not get ganked. Mining too boring to justify your attention? Then maybe that means it's a good time to try X-ing up when I'm trying to form a combat fleet.

/rant
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#10 - 2011-11-09 01:51:03 UTC
Vigdis Thorisdottir wrote:
I'm all for the ganking to continue. Not because I find it entertaining or funny or sporting in any way.

But because I get pissed when I need to talk to someone in my lame industry corp, see them online, then try to talk to them only to find they're afk mining. With all the ganking going on, my corp channel is dead, but at least I know the people who are in it are actually playing the game.

Play and pay attention to your game and it's easy to not get ganked. Mining too boring to justify your attention? Then maybe that means it's a good time to try X-ing up when I'm trying to form a combat fleet.

/rant

And now you probably understand why true carebears are such loathed and vitriolic creatures. Sounds like you belong in a pvp corporation, or at least one that doesn't shy away from pvp-oriented activities.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2011-11-09 01:51:42 UTC
Vigdis Thorisdottir wrote:
I'm all for the ganking to continue. Not because I find it entertaining or funny or sporting in any way.

But because I get pissed when I need to talk to someone in my lame industry corp, see them online, then try to talk to them only to find they're afk mining. With all the ganking going on, my corp channel is dead, but at least I know the people who are in it are actually playing the game.

Play and pay attention to your game and it's easy to not get ganked. Mining too boring to justify your attention? Then maybe that means it's a good time to try X-ing up when I'm trying to form a combat fleet.

/rant

This guy or girl gets it.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#12 - 2011-11-09 01:52:08 UTC
Vigdis Thorisdottir wrote:
...
Play and pay attention to your game and it's easy to not get ganked. Mining too boring to justify your attention? Then maybe that means it's a good time to try X-ing up when I'm trying to form a combat fleet.

/rant


I can't mine with 100% attention and I do most of my mining in worm holes. The best I can do is semi-AFK, where I have two screens, I read on one, click D-scan on the other and glance across from time to time.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Brock Nelson
#13 - 2011-11-09 01:54:52 UTC
Nothing's going to stop gankers

So, why do you guys continue to try to find ways to fight them?

Signature removed, CCP Phantom
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#14 - 2011-11-09 01:59:45 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Vigdis Thorisdottir wrote:
...
Play and pay attention to your game and it's easy to not get ganked. Mining too boring to justify your attention? Then maybe that means it's a good time to try X-ing up when I'm trying to form a combat fleet.

/rant


I can't mine with 100% attention and I do most of my mining in worm holes. The best I can do is semi-AFK, where I have two screens, I read on one, click D-scan on the other and glance across from time to time.



What if mining were something like the old asteroids game, where you used your mining lasers to blow the crap out of asteroids until they're in small enough pieces to scoop up into your mining ship's gaping maw by actively flying it to do so? zapzapzap! omnomnom!

Mining becomes an active-piloting activity involving real player skill. Miners pay attention and get ganked less. It becomes way harder to multibox efficiently, so mineral prices rise, capitals become expensive again, people actually care about T1 hull prices. A low denomination Interbus postage stamp is issued with my face on it.

Everybody is happy.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Jenshae Chiroptera
#15 - 2011-11-09 02:13:19 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
Vigdis Thorisdottir wrote:
... /rant

I can't mine with 100% ...

What if mining were ...


Quoted to OP. I like it the way it is because I can accomplish two things at once. I can see this as a good change, I probably wouldn't mine though as I would swop over to other active pursuits when I am giving the game my full attention.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#16 - 2011-11-09 02:15:11 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
A low denomination Interbus postage stamp is issued with my face on it.

See, it's thinking like that why the US Postal Office is billions of dollars into the red.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
VaMei
Meafi Corp
#17 - 2011-11-09 02:35:13 UTC
Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
  • Align to a safe point.


    • Are you suggesting that passive alignment actually does anything in Eve?

    Or, are you suggesting that a ship with an active align speed of 75m/s, and that needs to be w/in 10km of its target for 290s with max skills (over 640 with min) can actually do its job?

    Either way... Here's your sign.
    Jenshae Chiroptera
    #18 - 2011-11-09 02:37:47 UTC
    VaMei wrote:
    ... can actually do its job? ...


    Works for me but under different conditions than you are probably imagining.

    CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

    Not even once

    EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
    Corina Jarr
    en Welle Shipping Inc.
    #19 - 2011-11-09 02:40:42 UTC
    VaMei wrote:
    Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
  • Align to a safe point.


    • Are you suggesting that passive alignment actually does anything in Eve?

    Or, are you suggesting that a ship with an active align speed of 75m/s, and that needs to be w/in 10km of its target for 290s with max skills (over 640 with min) can actually do its job?

    Either way... Here's your sign.

    Mining while aligned (there is no such thing as active or passive) is easy, and reduces the risk of mining to almost zero. All you need is two well placed bookmarks to fly between, and turn around when you feel the need.

    Yes it takes planning, yes it is a little work, but do it and the ganker will have to work much more, if he even thinks is worth it.
    Jenshae Chiroptera
    #20 - 2011-11-09 02:43:50 UTC
    Corina Jarr wrote:
    ...
    Mining while aligned ... is easy, and reduces the risk of mining to almost zero. All you need is two well placed bookmarks to ...

    In this case, we mean, where I just sit next to a rock, while being aligned to one point, such as POS, while not moving. This helps cut only the align time out of warping away.

    CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

    Not even once

    EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
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