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(Why) do we need 15 min "Can Flipping" Timer?
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Morukk Nuamzzar
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-07-05 13:01:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Morukk Nuamzzar
When fleeted with Orca some miners are jet-canning even nowadays and feeling protected by Suspect Timer they simply don't care whether you land 500 m from their can full of ore or not. Most likely being AFK they are unaware you are there in the first place.

Is this really the sandbox we want for our children - to grow up as dull creatures, bored with life? If not, let's help them and restore delicate balance in the Universe.

The work-in-progress idea is simple. When a can is flipped it will turn turquoise (or some similar color) and Can Flipping Timer starts counting down - everyone is now free to take the loot for the duration of 15 minutes. The initial can-flipper will still be a Suspect but every other can-flipper won't, ofc as long as Can Flipping Timer is still counting. If the same miner decides to jettison while the timer has not reached 0 it will restart back to 15 minutes.

It's not something I know but at least miners will need to be more attentive PLAYers and not so much bot-like AFK'ers.
Spurty
#2 - 2013-07-05 13:04:04 UTC
Please let us all know how you know they are afk?

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Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-07-05 13:04:18 UTC
Jet can for the corporation.

It's already built into the system.

If you're in another corp, that's the breaks in this delicate ecosystem.

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Forum Clone 77777
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-07-05 13:29:11 UTC
I dont understand this "idea" or its purpose, please elaborate.
Freighdee Katt
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-07-05 13:33:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Freighdee Katt
How about we just do something that makes sense instead: Stealing from a yellow can or wreck starts a Limited Engagement timer with the owner.

Can flipping is dead. Long live can flipping.

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QuakeGod
Empire Manufacturing
#6 - 2013-07-05 13:36:55 UTC
2006 called. It wants it's can flipping back.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-07-05 13:38:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Sentamon
The guy mentioned attentive and mining in the same sentence. LOL!

The only "attentive" miners are chineese prisoners being punished by mining isk for the prison guards.

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Felicity Love
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-07-05 13:38:47 UTC
Shoot them all in the face, let CONCORD sort them out. Shocked

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-07-05 13:39:59 UTC
Morukk Nuamzzar wrote:
When fleeted with Orca some miners are jet-canning even nowadays and feeling protected by Suspect Timer they simply don't care whether you land 500 m from their can full of ore or not. Most likely being AFK they are unaware you are there in the first place.

Is this really the sandbox we want for our children - to grow up as dull creatures, bored with life? If not, let's help them and restore delicate balance in the Universe.

The work-in-progress idea is simple. When a can is flipped it will turn turquoise (or some similar color) and Can Flipping Timer starts counting down - everyone is now free to take the loot for the duration of 15 minutes. The initial can-flipper will still be a Suspect but every other can-flipper won't, ofc as long as Can Flipping Timer is still counting. If the same miner decides to jettison while the timer has not reached 0 it will restart back to 15 minutes.

It's not something I know but at least miners will need to be more attentive PLAYers and not so much bot-like AFK'ers.


So you want to can-flip with a throw-away alt for 1 ore unit so your main can come after for the full can and not be flagged as suspect right?
Morukk Nuamzzar
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2013-07-05 13:41:54 UTC
Forum Clone 77777 wrote:
I dont understand this "idea" or its purpose, please elaborate.


The idea is to protect our dear miners without unintentionally harming them with overprotection.
Morukk Nuamzzar
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2013-07-05 13:45:06 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Morukk Nuamzzar wrote:
When fleeted with Orca some miners are jet-canning even nowadays and feeling protected by Suspect Timer they simply don't care whether you land 500 m from their can full of ore or not. Most likely being AFK they are unaware you are there in the first place.

Is this really the sandbox we want for our children - to grow up as dull creatures, bored with life? If not, let's help them and restore delicate balance in the Universe.

The work-in-progress idea is simple. When a can is flipped it will turn turquoise (or some similar color) and Can Flipping Timer starts counting down - everyone is now free to take the loot for the duration of 15 minutes. The initial can-flipper will still be a Suspect but every other can-flipper won't, ofc as long as Can Flipping Timer is still counting. If the same miner decides to jettison while the timer has not reached 0 it will restart back to 15 minutes.

It's not something I know but at least miners will need to be more attentive PLAYers and not so much bot-like AFK'ers.


So you want to can-flip with a throw-away alt for 1 ore unit so your main can come after for the full can and not be flagged as suspect right?


No, that I can do already - jettison and steal from my alt.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#12 - 2013-07-05 13:48:30 UTC
cos carebear's gonna carebear.
and also cry to ccp till they nerf the crap out of hs piracy.

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QuakeGod
Empire Manufacturing
#13 - 2013-07-05 13:49:08 UTC
Why not just warp in with a Skiff on your main and take more than half of the can (assuming it's full) and then warp in with another Skiff on your alt and take the rest of it?
Paul Panala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#14 - 2013-07-05 13:49:48 UTC
It sounds to me like your suggestion would make jetcanning even less risky. Right now, if you flip a can you turn suspect, if the minor tries to take it back then they become suspect (something I never felt made sense, but that is how the game works).

If I understand what you are saying, you want the minor (or Orca pilot) to be able to grab that can back with no penalty at all. How does that help keep minors on their toes? Seems like it makes things even more safe for them.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#15 - 2013-07-05 13:51:25 UTC
there is no can flipping timer. its called suspect timer. So are you asking to remove ownership of cans completely? Or do you want free kills without taking any risks? Explain.

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Paul Panala
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-07-05 13:52:24 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
cos carebear's gonna carebear.

I think the correct way to say this is "Carebear's gonna care."
Morukk Nuamzzar
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2013-07-05 13:54:58 UTC
Paul Panala wrote:
It sounds to me like your suggestion would make jetcanning even less risky. Right now, if you flip a can you turn suspect, if the minor tries to take it back then they become suspect (something I never felt made sense, but that is how the game works).

If I understand what you are saying, you want the minor (or Orca pilot) to be able to grab that can back with no penalty at all. How does that help keep minors on their toes? Seems like it makes things even more safe for them.


You are wrong - miner can take from the flipped can freely.
BoBoZoBo
MGroup9
#18 - 2013-07-05 14:00:02 UTC
Spurty wrote:
Please let us all know how you know they are afk?



This - for ALL AFK claims.
Oh hes not answering or responding to you... MUST BE AFK!!!

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Morukk Nuamzzar
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2013-07-05 14:06:13 UTC
BoBoZoBo wrote:
Spurty wrote:
Please let us all know how you know they are afk?



This - for ALL AFK claims.
Oh hes not answering or responding to you... MUST BE AFK!!!


I said 'most likely'. The truth is - most miners are not even remotely attentive while mining, varying from semi-afk to afk. Everyone knows that.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2013-07-05 14:13:10 UTC
Morukk Nuamzzar wrote:
BoBoZoBo wrote:
Spurty wrote:
Please let us all know how you know they are afk?



This - for ALL AFK claims.
Oh hes not answering or responding to you... MUST BE AFK!!!


I said 'most likely'. The truth is - most miners are not even remotely attentive while mining, varying from semi-afk to afk. Everyone knows that.


And even if they were, they couldn't fight back anyway. So in itself mining is borked, as to setup a fleet for protection is pulling teeth (as it's just as boring to the protectors).

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
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