Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hello everyone.

If you have been paying attention to activities in the cluster lately. You will have noticed a rather violent uptick of suicide ganks in high security space. At first you will think. "More idiots flying good stuff in T1 haulers again?" Yet that is not the case. Lately the targets have been on the rather lower end side.

Mining Vessels....


Normally this would be a rather stupid idea. The best you could hope for is a PM or Local full of epic tears. Yet lately H20 is not the goal. That has changed to none other than market manipulation.

Why? How could you profit when it takes an alpha strike worth of ships to do this? It is quite simple really. If you or friends control a majority of a product. Then eliminating the "competition" ingame to produce that product means better prices. And in this case even better prices due to the announcing you are a big boy officially doing this. Even better if that is required to do something important such as fueling research POS towers you can reduce the enemies ability to make better BPOs.

In essence who is benefiting indirectly and is pulling the strings? The large alliances.

The continued growth of these attacks will do alot to assure that smaller alliances continue to fade into EVE history in the face of large alliance dominance. With that in mind actions need to be taken to address this without seriously impacting the simple acts of generating epic tears.

Along with the removal of insurance for CONCORD involved kills (And hopefully self destructing if that is fixed) I suggest a large increase in structure HP for all mining barges Tech 1 and Tech 2

Now you are asking? "Wut? Hull Tanking?"

No tanking is ability to absorb damage over a long period of time. Structure is usually strictly buffer. And in this case the increased buffer's sole purpose is to add greatly to the cost of alpha strikes on mining craft before CONCORD arrives.

"Wait why not increase shield or armor hp?"

Because that implies support for additional "Tank" which lessens the need to have a dedicated tank for the rats in the belt or area of mining. That is not my goal and I agree with the need to keep these from soloing areas of high mineral wealth.

"Well how much HP to add?"

I cant answer that because I don't have the data CCP has on the trends of ganking. Yet I will say in my opinion it needs to be enough to withstand the first alpha shot of enough Tier 3 battlecruisers to push the cost of the operation into atleast the hundreds per ship destroyed. 2-4 of em perhaps depending on cost of minerals.

"But wait WAIT!! That means I cant solo generate tears!"

Sorry, Blame the big alliances abusing a mechanic intended for solo tears to inflict market manipulation. You can still generate tears from miners but it will cost quite a bit more.

"Will this stop all ganking"

Oh no! That is not the goal. This needs to be done to stop the blatant market manipulation in favor of big alliances that punish smaller ones. This wont affect ganking mission runners or transport craft or even some incursion ships.

CCP I hope you will consider this idea to finish on the changes needed to combat this newer threat to smaller alliances in EVE.

I am not talking about differences between a 3 and 20 man corp or alliance. I am talking of alliances of thousands dominating with the resources to deploy large amounts of ganks over many systems because it is profitable to them.

Random ganks will still happen. Yet it will take more than 1-2 Tier 3 vessels to do it. If you could afford to generate tears now. You can afford to make them after my plan is implemented. Tears are priceless I thought.

To deal with the crapload of supply of mins on the market. Start making use of the bot reporting feature.

How many mackinaws did you lose this month?


market manipulation is and always has been a valuable part of EVE. Same with suicide ganking. Stop trying to change the game just because the big mean goonies popped your macky so you couldn't make any more iskies for your toonie

Obviously not. Or Insurance would not have been removed.

CCP never meant to give large alliances this much power.

*sigh*

Goonswarm's ice blockade is pretty much the definition of emergent gameplay. It's essentially no different from pissed-off truck drivers blockading fuel depots, and driving petrol prices through the roof for political ends (though the Goons' ends are just lols and epeen).

Anyway, 'market manipulation' is just part and parcel of free markets. If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. Alternatively, harden up, smarten up and avoid the gankers, then profit from the sky-high ice prices.

if barges started to put Damage control II moduals on their ship instead of the Mining Upgrade or Cargo expander, their effective HP would go up dramatically

the new destroyers + the insurance nerf mean ill just use packs of 10+ destroyers to gank as many hulks as we can before getting blown by concord as they will cost what 1 mill each to buy and fit

And why is that a bad thing? Sandbox and all that.



And why is that a good thing? You want mining to become even less profitable than it is nowadays?

You do realise no alliance supports itself entirely by mining, right? Those jump freighters aren't full of minerals, they're full of the stuff you'd build out of those minerals. Suicide ganking a few mackinaws in empire really isn't going to stop a small aliance defending itself.

You mean just the other big alliances? Because why would they complain? Their legions of miners (and bots) benefit even more. The goons are atleast footing the bill for the lost gank ships.

And the smaller alliances well sadly they are full of lazy people that just go with the flow. And will quit without saying anything. Case in point the lack of victims of ganks in here. Lazy fools. If it weren't benefiting the large alliances so much I would be all for ganking them time and time again.