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Tonight's fleet fight in Z9PP-H

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Ivana Twinkle
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#301 - 2013-07-05 07:59:57 UTC
Tidi at 10% is horrible. The alternative is magnitudes worse.
Schwa Nuts
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#302 - 2013-07-05 08:00:55 UTC
As an engineer whose mistakes have caused brief outages before, I certainly can sympathize with what this engineer is going through right now. I can assure you he won't be sleeping tonight, and will be beating himself up for weeks if not months to come.

That being said, when you are dealing with the very core of your product, you must be extraordinarily diligent in your work to ensure you don't break anything. This level of mistake is completely unacceptable, and there is no real way to make it right.
Starlighart
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#303 - 2013-07-05 08:10:37 UTC
Hmmm and what are the test systems for again..... that's right to test the process and scripts into production.
Orange Aideron
Voidlings
V0IDLINGS
#304 - 2013-07-05 08:15:32 UTC
Free tank of honor to all those involved.
Charlotte 'Lottie' O'Reilly
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#305 - 2013-07-05 08:16:59 UTC
Starlighart wrote:
Hmmm and what are the test systems for again..... that's right to test the process and scripts into production.

You're not seriously suggesting that this was the first time CCP had ever tried to remap a node mid-fight?

This wasn't new software, it was a misclick by a CCP engineer.
Arcin Hamir
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#306 - 2013-07-05 08:17:04 UTC
I do not subscribe to the conspiracy theories.

CCP's actions, however, were exceedingly stupid:

1. The fight had been running for several hours and numbers had actually DROPPED at the time CCP introduced its 'cretin' plan. Why watch a massive fleet fight for hours and then decide to take action near the last section?
2. Obviously the action itself was incredibly badly planned, communicated and executed. Playing about with processes on an active system is a very delicate operation and needs people who take care and know what they are doing - not a CCP strong point it would seem!

The calls for people to be sacked over this are extreme but somebody (especially the individual who made the decision to move things) should be reprimanded and apologise personally.
Daenna Chrysi
Omega Foundry Unit
Southern Legion Alliance
#307 - 2013-07-05 08:19:02 UTC
You know, in a situation like this, you might not want to try to fiddle with the node that the fight is taking place on, instead, reinforce the systems next door to the one where all the fighting is taking place. Then the fight can extend to the neighbouring systems as well, until you have 10k players burning an entire constellation instead of just one system.

Imagine the press on that =)

This would be a short term solution because the fountain war is sure to produce more fights like this, so doing this will give you time to develop a way to pull off a hot node reinforcement.
Robert Yannes
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#308 - 2013-07-05 08:20:52 UTC
It's ok guys it was his first day.
Charlotte 'Lottie' O'Reilly
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#309 - 2013-07-05 08:21:17 UTC
Daenna Chrysi wrote:
You know, in a situation like this, you might not want to try to fiddle with the node that the fight is taking place on, instead, reinforce the systems next door to the one where all the fighting is taking place. Then the fight can extend to the neighbouring systems as well, until you have 10k players burning an entire constellation instead of just one system.

Imagine the press on that =)

This would be a short term solution because the fountain war is sure to produce more fights like this, so doing this will give you time to develop a way to pull off a hot node reinforcement.

...that isn't how nullsec fights work.
Orange Aideron
Voidlings
V0IDLINGS
#310 - 2013-07-05 08:29:15 UTC
"keyboard error" - i think the keyboard was working as intended
"error in communication" - well the real problem is that it is impossible to convey tone in written language. Now if the instructions had used the font Sarcastica 12 he would have known it was a joke. Instead it was in Good Times New Roman.

pfft ******* fonts

Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#311 - 2013-07-05 08:32:25 UTC
im still annoyed.

after grinding through 2 bs fleets we managed to start popping some of the 100+ trapped carriers. this took hours to do under TiDi and the newly introduced TiDi lag/bugs.(ffs turn off that ****** new monitoring software you dumped in during the last patch)

then more bs bridged in, so we started working on them and we were almost through the bulk of them and then we could have started picking off them trapped carriers. BUT oh no CCP steps in and kills almost 8hours worth of effort put in by 1000's of players.

im annoyed very very ******* annoyed.

OMG when can i get a pic here

Orange Aideron
Voidlings
V0IDLINGS
#312 - 2013-07-05 08:34:11 UTC
TEST finally did it.

They got a spai into CCP.

You sirs are awesome.
DarkSim Market
Gangnam Style.
#313 - 2013-07-05 08:35:51 UTC
Oh god the goon tears in this thread, lol.

I am saving all of this for the next day when your fleet is :CCP:'d

The real rage is because goon kiddies don't want to go back to shooting structures in bombers and caracals, lol.
Niding
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#314 - 2013-07-05 08:36:11 UTC
Smoking Blunts wrote:
im still annoyed.

after grinding through 2 bs fleets we managed to start popping some of the 100+ trapped carriers. this took hours to do under TiDi and the newly introduced TiDi lag/bugs.(ffs turn off that ****** new monitoring software you dumped in during the last patch)

then more bs bridged in, so we started working on them and we were almost through the bulk of them and then we could have started picking off them trapped carriers. BUT oh no CCP steps in and kills almost 8hours worth of effort put in by 1000's of players.

im annoyed very very ******* annoyed.


So annoyed that you might forget about the new launcher for a whole day?

A blessing in disguise What?
Hal Deville
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#315 - 2013-07-05 08:38:52 UTC
This was a very bad day for Eve.
Smoking Blunts
ZC Omega
#316 - 2013-07-05 08:39:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Smoking Blunts
Niding wrote:
Smoking Blunts wrote:
im still annoyed.

after grinding through 2 bs fleets we managed to start popping some of the 100+ trapped carriers. this took hours to do under TiDi and the newly introduced TiDi lag/bugs.(ffs turn off that ****** new monitoring software you dumped in during the last patch)

then more bs bridged in, so we started working on them and we were almost through the bulk of them and then we could have started picking off them trapped carriers. BUT oh no CCP steps in and kills almost 8hours worth of effort put in by 1000's of players.

im annoyed very very ******* annoyed.


So annoyed that you might forget about the new launcher for a whole day?

A blessing in disguise What?



I don't use the launcher to do anything but patch. i log in via the exe. so its mostly forgotten about anyhow.

OMG when can i get a pic here

Chip Norton
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#317 - 2013-07-05 08:40:30 UTC
Nice work CCP.

People spend hours in what is meant to be the pinnacle of a sandbox and you rob everyone of a truely memorable experience with your incompetence.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#318 - 2013-07-05 08:41:07 UTC
Heptameron wrote:

It was shaping up to be a war changer and CCP 'insert hopefully now jobless engineer here' screwed it up. But hey, the clock keeps ticking and in the forward direction so not much point dwelling on might have beens.


You know, I'm not gonna call for the guy's head - it was a typo. Who among us hasn't had one? As someone who's recently lost my job, I'm very, very wary of calling for someone's family to suffer because of a typo. Instead, I'm hoping the process will be changed - that safeguards like a simple 'hey, that system doesn't exist' error message will be put into place, as well as 'Are you SURE? Y/N' confirmations. More importantly, I'm hoping the code will be changed so that if* something like this does happen again, basic IT practices like archival data imaging and restoration rollbacks will be implemented so that whoever the guys on the field are, they're not denied the fight they worked hard to get.



* - if? Who am I kidding? when.
Starlighart
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#319 - 2013-07-05 08:43:57 UTC
Charlotte 'Lottie' O'Reilly wrote:
Starlighart wrote:
Hmmm and what are the test systems for again..... that's right to test the process and scripts into production.

You're not seriously suggesting that this was the first time CCP had ever tried to remap a node mid-fight?

This wasn't new software, it was a misclick by a CCP engineer.


not suggesting it at all, However if they have the time to watch the fight for 5 hours, they have the time to test the move to ensure these mistakes don't happen.
Strategos Constance
Xevera
#320 - 2013-07-05 08:56:42 UTC
This is really unfortunate considering that major battles seem to have the most mistakes on CCPs side. This is quickly turning into another Uemon!

Instead of always cleaning up PR messes perhaps you should be more proactive on the successes you have. When this happens to one of the biggest and now most publicized fights in EVE history it just bring a ton of bad press and allegations that CCP is "in" with TEST. Instead you need to start publicly addressing the successes as well. In my memory, you've made one such attempt when TiDi was released and since been silenced.

I would instead bring forward the successes and comparisons to the rest of the game industry. Not as justifications for a very sloppy key press, but to show the players the amount of things that go RIGHT instead of waiting for another disaster.


P.S. As for the sloppy key press... I still don't understand why you wouldn't have some sort of confirmation message and actually reviewing it. You can ill afford to mess with 2000+ active pilots and more thousands watching the live streams. Pretend like your game depending on it, because I am sure to some... it does.