EVE General Discussion

Wow.. never seen so much butt hurt.

Goons shedding more tears then a HS carebear who was just had their ship ganked..

Keep those tears coming :)

It was an embarrassing end to a great fight, but really, CCP has other things to be embarrassed about too. Such as the fact that B-D is one of the worst systems for tidi that I've ever seen. It's only the regional chokepoint between what is/was the two largest coalitions in the game, who may or may not be engaged in an around the clock active siege war. No biggie though, right?

But the kicker to all this is the fact that despite CCP's actions with the Z9PP node, and even with TEST strategically not logging back in, we still had 15-25% time dilation after the node reset. Yes, this was after the "fix". I was sitting there in a battleship, shocked, with local almost completely blue and so much tidi that looting would've been genuinely painful.

CCP, all I can really say to you is this: you know the players, you know the game and the politics. Many of you are former members of one or multiple of these involved alliances. These types of organic fights will keep happening and you know it. So reassign your workload and give some serious attention to this.

The real WTF here, IMO, is the fact that multiple system processes live on a single node without virtualization.

CCP, just virtualize that ****; that way, you can move systems around without disconnecting people.

As someone already said, if goons were active in-game as they are on forums/propaganda they would win eve till now.
What they seem to managed to convince people of , is that they won the battle. Is it really so?

1. With the TiDi that was, they wouldn't have had the time to kill 100 carriers till regular DT even if they could.
2. Analyzing the battle report and the kills before server crash only proves that goons were loosing badly at that moment. What they lack on the battlefield they compensate by spamming and propaganda, that is indeed where they are champs and nobody can deny.
3. Why N3 and TEST keep fooling around in the same few worthless systems in Fountain? ... that I simply cannot understand. Just hell-camp goons in B-D. Remember they are just a bunch of carebears pushed from behind by good propaganda, but after they'll loose a few staging systems they will disband like a crowd of spineless creatures.

I fought against TEST, N3 etc. in the system, but I have to second this.

Stuff happens. It's still a game. Next time another entity gains an advantage. vOv

******* up node might been mistake but decision to reset timers was done intentional.

Why not just let your game to played by your rules - leave ships in space for 15 min, but no you decide to bend your own rules as you feel like.

I can live with reboot of the node but reseting the timers is acted like a child with power to change rules if they dont suit him.

From one programmer to another. this is how fleet fights like this could be moved over to a reinforced node.

step1 warn in 1minute the game will lock for 5minutes
step2 lock the game and store all system properties
step3 move all character to a waiting screen without Disconnecting them (waiting loop)
step4 transfer the properties to the new server
- this means loads all ship put all character aggression flags and other stuff, to same state as on previous node
step6 move character over from waiting screen to new node after they pressed a button to engage.
step7 after 5minutes move everyone still in que over to server (D/c loggoffed etc)
step8 continue with combat.

this way there is no safe logoffski when node change is happening.

this is how i would have made it.
I don't like the idea of even the rumors that CCP helped Test/Nulli/NCDot/PL here and i doubt it happend but its bad that it did and things like this can be seemless integrated.

a good way to deal with larger fleet combat could then be

Normal node
Normal node with a single system on the node
reinforced node

This allows you to take the fleet combat without more consequences then 5-10min waiting time (potty break) over to a reinforced node. with is (I am betting) something everyone would have wanted.


But I am not buying that the system was a Organic fight.
It was a system timer in a system on the boarder.

CCP could have anticipated that there should be large fighting there
and depending on how many reinforced nodes they got they could have spread the nodes on the 10 systems in that area and already have all the boarder system on own nods to make tidi easier.

B-D,
Z9PP
EI-O0O
4-EP12

are all system that already should be under reinforced nodes.
as major fighting take place there on in its vincinity.


now i wasn't there but from my perspective this just sounds strange.

You need to pass that blunt round buddy because jeez... that's some serious s**t you been puffin on.

CCP thanks for the answer BUT :

- People not letting you know about potential fights is because people have let you know in the past (you know that) and nothing happened to improve the game peformance. So why bother telling you again that there will be a fight if you will not be able to better the game performance (which is the reason surely why noone bothers telling you).

- You had five hours to get your stuff together. I know mistakes happen but in that time span, you had time to make sure no mistakes happen. It is somewhat very strange, that during all this time, you made the biggest mistake of all. But whatever.


Mistakes happen, but mistakes this size should not happen.

What they were attempting to do was remove other systems off the node which means the server resources would be totally dedicated to that one system (a la Jita), which is in effect a reinforced node.

This isn't about coding so much as resource allocation and dynamically being able to assign more to critical areas of the game.

NowI am no longer doing my old man nerd rage dance I think it's worth giving testies a bit of a big up for committing just about anything you could fly in that system along with their buddies.

To my CFC brosefs - don't worry there will be other times and other systems, last night the numbers were f***** awesome, reminded me of the 7 full fleet roll through Branch.

It was shaping up to be a war changer and CCP 'insert hopefully now jobless engineer here' screwed it up. But hey, the clock keeps ticking and in the forward direction so not much point dwelling on might have beens.