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Tonight's fleet fight in Z9PP-H

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Vigo Carpath
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#241 - 2013-07-05 04:46:19 UTC
Wow all these goons begging for non existent kill mails just shows how desperate they are.

Very sad.

However the tears are delicious.
EdFromHumanResources
State War Academy
Caldari State
#242 - 2013-07-05 04:47:48 UTC  |  Edited by: EdFromHumanResources
Ahahahaha. So many mad pubbies.




Like that one VVVVVV
Barramuda
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#243 - 2013-07-05 04:49:44 UTC
Prevoius f*ck up with helping BoB ended up with one person being fired and CSM being created in an attend to keep players trust that was shattered at the time.

Story: CCP helping out

Then we had NEX Gate and Incarna failure that resulted in massive biter vet exodus and after many - we are SO sorry - and Hillmars open letter with "mistakes were made" CCP once again found their steering.

Yesterday we have witnessed what is described as human mistake.

Those of us that have been in EVE for over 6 years now have witnessed many "mistakes" and how some people fall on their path when it comes to EVE. Even CCP Hillmar, CEO and founder, admitted that he was tempted to use DEV hacks in order to restore lost ship during very early days of EVE ( Fanfest 2013 - Hillmars keynote ).

Is it then so hard to believe that one of the a fore mentioned engineers just happens to have a character in TEST ?

What is the next step, CSE ( Council of stelar engineers ) , that will monitor strange node disconnections that occur at strange times when one or another power bloc is winning ?

Because servers mysteriously crashed before.
Johnathan Severasse
Dixon Cox Butte Preservation Society
#244 - 2013-07-05 04:58:18 UTC
Aemon Cross wrote:
Mor Erata wrote:
Goons are cute when they are upset


I don't understand why TEST peeps are even posting after they got a nice dose of Deus Ex Machina (look it up if you're not sure what that means. Take your time, its a sophisticated concept). It seems to be a pretty douchebag thing to do, but I suppose we're not expecting a lot when they get their CCP engineer friends to help them out of a jam.

GG!


Tinfoil is moving fast on the jita market right now. And lol you can #dealwith it because Test Alliance is Best Alliance and we are #fedorable.
Leigh Akiga
Kuhri Innovations
#245 - 2013-07-05 04:58:32 UTC
Xessej
Perkone
Caldari State
#246 - 2013-07-05 04:59:46 UTC
I've got a suggestion for CCP, instead of spending our subscription money on the doomed dust spend it on buying enough hardware for every system to have a dedicated node. It gets rid of the need to notify anyone of big fleet ops and prevents this sort of thing from happening.
Hrald
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#247 - 2013-07-05 05:03:20 UTC
Do you have any idea how much that would cost to not only acquire but to upkeep?

This thread is the worst thread I've ever read on the internet. I'm including the locked one and this as the same thread.
Sex Slave Girl
Absolute Order XVIII
Absolute Will
#248 - 2013-07-05 05:05:31 UTC
Does this mean CCP will buy better and more server nodes??
Hrald
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#249 - 2013-07-05 05:07:56 UTC
Are you willing to pay more for your subscription and jack up the price of PLEX to pay for unplanned hardware upgrades?
Barramuda
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#250 - 2013-07-05 05:11:41 UTC
Hrald wrote:
Are you willing to pay more for your subscription and jack up the price of PLEX to pay for unplanned hardware upgrades?


Well,. I can understand why you agree that mistakes like this are acceptable and indeed expected to happen from time to time. Roll
Toshiro Ozuwara
Perkone
#251 - 2013-07-05 05:12:19 UTC
Vigo Carpath wrote:
Wow all these goons begging for non existent kill mails just shows how desperate they are.

Very sad.

I know, right? My favorite was the guy insisting CCP should remove ships from the game that were not blown up yet because he assumes that they would have definitely been blown up.

Vigo Carpath wrote:
However the tears are delicious.

I have probably put on 10 lbs today drinking all these sweet, delicious Goonswarm tears.

I will need to hit the gym during the next unplanned downtime.

It didn't take long to locate the tracking beacon, deep inside the quarters for sleepin' They thought they could get away Not today, it's not the way that this kid plays
Laserak
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#252 - 2013-07-05 05:18:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Laserak
I was at asakai and I was at this fight and I'm curious about the nerdy details of the process. I understand the concept of moving systems on the same node off so that the heavily affected system in essentially on its own node but how is this accomplished? It sounds like a series of slash commands..and what kind of safeguards are in place so that whatever technician is doing this process doesnt accidentally turn of say.. Jita or in this case, the very node they were trying to beef up?
Hrald
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#253 - 2013-07-05 05:19:30 UTC
Barramuda wrote:
Hrald wrote:
Are you willing to pay more for your subscription and jack up the price of PLEX to pay for unplanned hardware upgrades?


Well,. I can understand why you agree that mistakes like this are acceptable and indeed expected to happen from time to time. Roll


You mean like the previous times the server has gone down and saved CFC caps? Stop being such man-children about it.

Additionally, you're not even addressing my point. Additional hardware costs money, where is that money supposed to come from?
OldWolf69
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#254 - 2013-07-05 05:28:26 UTC
Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:
Vigo Carpath wrote:
Wow all these goons begging for non existent kill mails just shows how desperate they are.

Very sad.

I know, right? My favorite was the guy insisting CCP should remove ships from the game that were not blown up yet because he assumes that they would have definitely been blown up.

Vigo Carpath wrote:
However the tears are delicious.

I have probably put on 10 lbs today drinking all these sweet, delicious Goonswarm tears.

I will need to hit the gym during the next unplanned downtime.


Most fun part is that your happyness just confirms that you "pro" Venture pilots would have lost those Carriers without that CCP Deus Ex Machina, rofl.
It's time for you to finally change your wet underwear and realise Test Wallet escaped once again.Lol
You loose some, you win some. Be sporty.Lol
OldWolf69
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#255 - 2013-07-05 05:30:15 UTC
Hrald wrote:
Barramuda wrote:
Hrald wrote:
Are you willing to pay more for your subscription and jack up the price of PLEX to pay for unplanned hardware upgrades?


Well,. I can understand why you agree that mistakes like this are acceptable and indeed expected to happen from time to time. Roll


You mean like the previous times the server has gone down and saved CFC caps? Stop being such man-children about it.

Additionally, you're not even addressing my point. Additional hardware costs money, where is that money supposed to come from?

From all the money they got from subs till now?
Wait, what? They will spend them all on renaming skills?Lol
Sex Slave Girl
Absolute Order XVIII
Absolute Will
#256 - 2013-07-05 05:31:36 UTC
Hakaru Ishiwara wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
Evening capsuleers,

We’d like to ask that you keep discussions and questions relating to tonight’s fleet fight in Z9PP-H to this thread so as to keep CCP responses centralized, and to make this the go to place for questions and answers.

*snip*

Would you please address the costs (human, financial, etc.) associated with dedicating more computing (and network?) resources to meet the requirements of larger fleet engagements?

As a customer, my perception of CCP is that you guys almost need your arm twisted and broken before you will take steps to facilitate the most epic moments of EVE game play. Why?

What is holding CCP back from allocating all available resources towards known flashpoints where many major entities could engage?


I believe the eve directors have to pledge to the CCP directors about more money for server hardware to make this happen. You know how companies are. They make lots of profits, but then split it into catorgies, such as money needed for investment in new games, a big bonus sallery for the boss, stuff like that. Eve online only gets a cut of it.
knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#257 - 2013-07-05 05:33:10 UTC
Ccp here is a great suggestion. Use a checklist. I know systems guys tend to not like them because it's effort, but they work for you. Give them a checklist, remove the chance of human error. It's standard practice to use one when fat fingered admins fiddle with stuff.
Hrald
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#258 - 2013-07-05 05:41:11 UTC
OldWolf69 wrote:
Hrald wrote:
Barramuda wrote:
Hrald wrote:
Are you willing to pay more for your subscription and jack up the price of PLEX to pay for unplanned hardware upgrades?


Well,. I can understand why you agree that mistakes like this are acceptable and indeed expected to happen from time to time. Roll


You mean like the previous times the server has gone down and saved CFC caps? Stop being such man-children about it.

Additionally, you're not even addressing my point. Additional hardware costs money, where is that money supposed to come from?

From all the money they got from subs till now?
Wait, what? They will spend them all on renaming skills?Lol


Okay, what profit margin are they running in order to allocate funds for the acquisition of water-proof servers to prevent future CFC tears? How much will all this new equipment cost? How well will it be utilized, as much of space is empty for long periods of time?
OldWolf69
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#259 - 2013-07-05 05:51:35 UTC
Hrald wrote:
OldWolf69 wrote:
Hrald wrote:
Barramuda wrote:
Hrald wrote:
Are you willing to pay more for your subscription and jack up the price of PLEX to pay for unplanned hardware upgrades?


Well,. I can understand why you agree that mistakes like this are acceptable and indeed expected to happen from time to time. Roll


You mean like the previous times the server has gone down and saved CFC caps? Stop being such man-children about it.

Additionally, you're not even addressing my point. Additional hardware costs money, where is that money supposed to come from?

From all the money they got from subs till now?
Wait, what? They will spend them all on renaming skills?Lol


Okay, what profit margin are they running in order to allocate funds for the acquisition of water-proof servers to prevent future CFC tears? How much will all this new equipment cost? How well will it be utilized, as much of space is empty for long periods of time?

There should be no such questions.
Game should work.
Things should be done.
***
This time it did benefit Test.
Next time it will benefit CFC.
Should not really matter.
***
What should matter is the quality of gameplay we get. No matter in wich Alliance we do play. Seeing such things happen, seeing also no improvements on the problem, and, on the other hand, seeing the crapload of inutile work they gift us, what should i think? But feel free to hold their hands. This is how this game became how it is today.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#260 - 2013-07-05 06:01:36 UTC
Hrald wrote:
OldWolf69 wrote:
Hrald wrote:
Barramuda wrote:
Hrald wrote:
Are you willing to pay more for your subscription and jack up the price of PLEX to pay for unplanned hardware upgrades?


Well,. I can understand why you agree that mistakes like this are acceptable and indeed expected to happen from time to time. Roll


You mean like the previous times the server has gone down and saved CFC caps? Stop being such man-children about it.

Additionally, you're not even addressing my point. Additional hardware costs money, where is that money supposed to come from?

From all the money they got from subs till now?
Wait, what? They will spend them all on renaming skills?Lol


Okay, what profit margin are they running in order to allocate funds for the acquisition of water-proof servers to prevent future CFC tears? How much will all this new equipment cost? How well will it be utilized, as much of space is empty for long periods of time?


Well, to be fair, I'm not sure putting every system on its own node would really be the right answer, even if it were feasible - you'd just have systems able to handle larger fights, and so you'd have larger fights. Which in turn would strain the system again. A lot of it seems to go back to what CCP has already acknowledged to be a poor choice of design language when the game was originally coded (python).

Unfortunately, converting the entire game engine away from python into something that can take advantage of modern multi-threading processors (which python really doesn't do well, if at all) would also be a significant expense/effort.

So, in the end, it's likely that we're all going to have to accept that just like TEST and the CFC, CCP is Bad At EVE™. Ugh