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Tonight's fleet fight in Z9PP-H

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Dirk Morbho
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#221 - 2013-07-05 03:20:15 UTC
bad CCP! bad! Evil

ok question: who did the reboot?


ps. something something something free stuff?
OldWolf69
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#222 - 2013-07-05 03:20:41 UTC
eddict wrote:
Jim from Accounting wrote:
Yes, people make mistakes. When people make mistakes of this magnitude at work, though, they get fired. Is anyone getting fired for this?


Come on we can't burn a test dev/admin every time we meta-game a server crash. On the other hand if the tears are this sweet every time it might be worth it.

Well, actually i can understand your happyness. At least now your capital pilots aren't forced to fly Ventures too. So we might get a chance to a second good fight.
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Toshiro Ozuwara
Perkone
#223 - 2013-07-05 03:23:57 UTC
Alexander Omega wrote:
Have we? Are you including what Pizza has grabbed so far

So Pizza grabbing moons are now moons the CFC took?

Alexander Omega wrote:
[and do you even know where all the R64s are?

This is a non sequitur.

Alexander Omega wrote:
Those were primarily TEST carriers dieing, and they wouldn't have been replaced any time soon, if ever.

I am surprised you know this. I don't know this, and I am in test, and in one of the capital building corps.

Alexander Omega wrote:
hat's a pretty big deal, even if you have friends to prop you up

Says the guy in the largest coalition in the game.

Alexander Omega wrote:
~100 less carriers that we have to worry about showing up, ~100 less to rep structures, ~100 less to move stuff around, make money, and be all around really damn useful for the day to day functioning of an alliance and its members.

I don't think anyone was arguing that losing our carriers would have been a huge blow.

The point is that you guys didn't kill them.



It didn't take long to locate the tracking beacon, deep inside the quarters for sleepin' They thought they could get away Not today, it's not the way that this kid plays
Gustavus Adolphus
Croatoan Enterprises
#224 - 2013-07-05 03:26:11 UTC
I need a drink, where is the popcorn?
Aurthes
Shadow State
Goonswarm Federation
#225 - 2013-07-05 03:28:11 UTC
Maybe CCP has made this a prelude to an upcoming announcement with the hiring of Sean Decker of EA. For a few hundred micro-transactions, they can have server related "events".
OldWolf69
EVE-RO
Goonswarm Federation
#226 - 2013-07-05 03:28:56 UTC
[/quote]
I don't think anyone was arguing that losing our carriers would have been a huge blow.
The point is that you guys didn't kill them.[/quote]
There's always cheap Ventures in hisec, so i doubt loosing so many carriers would get your capital pilots in the situation to fly in pods.Lol
Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#227 - 2013-07-05 03:32:09 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Evening capsuleers,

We’d like to ask that you keep discussions and questions relating to tonight’s fleet fight in Z9PP-H to this thread so as to keep CCP responses centralized, and to make this the go to place for questions and answers.

*snip*

Would you please address the costs (human, financial, etc.) associated with dedicating more computing (and network?) resources to meet the requirements of larger fleet engagements?

As a customer, my perception of CCP is that you guys almost need your arm twisted and broken before you will take steps to facilitate the most epic moments of EVE game play. Why?

What is holding CCP back from allocating all available resources towards known flashpoints where many major entities could engage?

+++++++ I have never shed a tear for a fellow EVE player until now. Mark “Seleene” Heard's Blog Honoring Sean "Vile Rat" Smith.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#228 - 2013-07-05 03:32:58 UTC
When someone did a misstake like that where I work, they didn't even get to pack thier boxes themself.
Setaceous
Nexus Prima
#229 - 2013-07-05 03:34:01 UTC
Jim from Accounting wrote:
Yes, people make mistakes. When people make mistakes of this magnitude at work, though, they get fired. Is anyone getting fired for this?


Only in the US. Other countries have more reasonable employment laws :P
Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#230 - 2013-07-05 03:36:32 UTC
Setaceous wrote:
Jim from Accounting wrote:
Yes, people make mistakes. When people make mistakes of this magnitude at work, though, they get fired. Is anyone getting fired for this?


Only in the US. Other countries have more reasonable employment laws :P

This is about poor process implementation. CCP management failed to develop and execute on a good plan for resource shifting and allocation when their systems were overtaxed.

+++++++ I have never shed a tear for a fellow EVE player until now. Mark “Seleene” Heard's Blog Honoring Sean "Vile Rat" Smith.
Hrald
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#231 - 2013-07-05 03:56:12 UTC
Wow, lots of entitled neckbeards in here posting like pubbies. I thought GSF prided themselves on their posting because :paywall:
Nexus Day
Lustrevik Trade and Travel Bureau
#232 - 2013-07-05 03:57:10 UTC
Thank you for the out of game explanation CCP, but what is the in-game explanation?
Parris Vasilkovsky
Vasilkovsky Interstellar
#233 - 2013-07-05 03:57:59 UTC
Hrald wrote:
Wow, lots of entitled neckbeards in here posting like pubbies. I thought GSF prided themselves on their posting because :paywall:

Um, GSF is the worst at posting. You should know, you used to live on our couch.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#234 - 2013-07-05 04:03:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Onictus
Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:

I don't think anyone was arguing that losing our carriers would have been a huge blow.

The point is that you guys didn't kill them.






Interesting point.

Of all of the alliances in that fight today, TEST is the only one that isn't on the evekill top20.

You are "winning" but Whores in Space has more kills camping Jita. So how does one of the largest alliances in the game fight with local at 1500 for 6 hours and get outstriped by a pack of Jita campers?
Kraytun
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#235 - 2013-07-05 04:03:46 UTC
ectweak wrote:
ectweak wrote:
CCP Falcon:

I have a few questions that I would like to hopefully have answered, if you would be so kind.

1) Understanding the purpose of the system remap, and the desire to have it increase response of the server (node) when pushed past its peak, What is the average increase in ability of the server (node) handling the fight itself, when a remap (when performed properly) occurs? Is this increase in processing ability significant enough to warrant a hot-swap?

2) What safeguards are there in place (or I assume planned) to prevent something such as this occurring?

3) This isn't the first recorded instance of a server swap such as this occurring (and causing one side that believed they had the upper hand to potentially lose out). Is the staff member responsible for today's remap responsible for others as well?

4) Why, is this treated like a standard downtime (where everyone gets out freely), Instead of the server recording ALL combat timers in place in the affected systems, and treating the ships that have these flags accordingly. The example here being that when the server comes back to operation, the timers resume?

I understand that these questions may have already been asked, but left unanswered, and I feel it best to reiterate them.


I apologize, I missed one more question I had

5) How is there NOT a safeguard at the very least in the system transfer protocols to come up with an error, when a non-existent system is entered? (attempting to move everything but Q9PP-H instead of Z9PP-H, should have failed, as there IS no system called Q9PP-H)



Good questions, CCP..???
Khira Kitamatsu
#236 - 2013-07-05 04:06:14 UTC
Wow...I feel sorry for both sides, and for CCP. Cry

Ponies!  We need more ponies!
Laserak
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#237 - 2013-07-05 04:17:12 UTC
Its like one of those once in an eve career moments when you've spent 4 hours chewing through battleships and reinforcements and you finally get to turn 490 Megathrons worth of dps onto bubbled archons and they are melting with a quickness and then the screen goes dark X
Aemon Cross
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#238 - 2013-07-05 04:36:02 UTC
Mor Erata wrote:
Goons are cute when they are upset


I don't understand why TEST peeps are even posting after they got a nice dose of Deus Ex Machina (look it up if you're not sure what that means. Take your time, its a sophisticated concept). It seems to be a pretty douchebag thing to do, but I suppose we're not expecting a lot when they get their CCP engineer friends to help them out of a jam.

GG!
Rockstara
Reaction Scientific
#239 - 2013-07-05 04:39:35 UTC
CCP falcon: do not let this discourage you from remapping nodes. If we're really lucky this will encourage you to develop a "live reinforce" mode. That fight was raging for hours ... it would surely have benefited from a remap even sooner, we shouldn't have to bring 2200 into system before you consider it. And the risk that sometimes that will crash the node is one I am perfectly willing to accept.

I could care less about any one particular fight. We all win if you are more proactive about improving the response of the systems we are fighting in. Keep calm and carry on.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#240 - 2013-07-05 04:42:41 UTC
Rockstara wrote:
CCP falcon: do not let this discourage you from remapping nodes. If we're really lucky this will encourage you to develop a "live reinforce" mode. That fight was raging for hours ... it would surely have benefited from a remap even sooner, we shouldn't have to bring 2200 into system before you consider it. And the risk that sometimes that will crash the node is one I am perfectly willing to accept.

I could care less about any one particular fight. We all win if you are more proactive about improving the response of the systems we are fighting in. Keep calm and carry on.


Completely agree there - if anything, this incident should serve as an impetus to develop code that will handle live system migration, and do so automatically based on cluster load, without the engineers having to step in at all.