EVE General Discussion

Coudln't force them to log in, couldn't force the ships to stay in space either, heh.

CCP Falcon:

I have a few questions that I would like to hopefully have answered, if you would be so kind.

1) Understanding the purpose of the system remap, and the desire to have it increase response of the server (node) when pushed past its peak, What is the average increase in ability of the server (node) handling the fight itself, when a remap (when performed properly) occurs? Is this increase in processing ability significant enough to warrant a hot-swap?

2) What safeguards are there in place (or I assume planned) to prevent something such as this occurring?

3) This isn't the first recorded instance of a server swap such as this occurring (and causing one side that believed they had the upper hand to potentially lose out). Is the staff member responsible for today's remap responsible for others as well?

4) Why, is this treated like a standard downtime (where everyone gets out freely), Instead of the server recording ALL combat timers in place in the affected systems, and treating the ships that have these flags accordingly. The example here being that when the server comes back to operation, the timers resume?

I understand that these questions may have already been asked, but left unanswered, and I feel it best to reiterate them.

Yeah we're so poor right now that they're telling the dudes that lost caps today to hold off filing reimbursements.

NEED ANOTHER LOAN FROM N3 PLS.

That is just the number in system at the time. 100's more were awaiting entry to the system to take part in the fight. I would bet money & be so bold as to say this engagement would have surpassed 3000 players if the software had been able to handle it. IMO this is a travesty of epic proportions in the gaming community.

I have not had the pleasure of analyzing packet captures of the data types that CCP uses to relay client-server data (I charge money for that), but I feel semi-confident in stating that I doubt it is as efficient as it could be. Network lag & software bottlenecks continue to plague large scale fleet fights. The issue is that the business metric of ROI (Return on investment) prevents enough man power from being dedicated to solve this problem (rewriting almost all of eve's code to accommodate the number of players vs. putting that money into more profitable ventures with higher ROI in a shorter time line). EVE may be running on the best hardware available, but if there is not proper net code & local software code to fully utilize said hardware, then you have the same bottlenecks in existence that prevent upping the scale of engagement. Considering that 1080p video can be compressed, transmitted, received, decompressed & displayed in real time on multiple displays in other network technologies (TelePresence) I simply don't accept this being a technology limitation. It is a limitation of funding, or a decision to provide funding to up the scale.

With that said, I assume that at worst the servers use an XML feed between client & server to maintain a gaming link (I could be totally wrong on this), but it is the most efficient way that I can think of (off the top of my head while drunk) to relay client data. I am a network engineer, not a software engineer, but have had mediocre interaction with determining software issues within high usage & availability systems. Again, please understand that THIS IS MY OPINION AND I DON'T PRESENT IT AS FACT; only as a point of view for consideration by the masses (That means don't flame over it, if you disagree, then do so, but verbally violent disagreement & insults are uncouth. I'm happy for any info & learning, but the attitudes of people who hear something they disagree with constantly get quite extreme).

Taking the entire issue of bias out of the equation in this incident, the raw fact that a systems engineer made such a heavily hitting mistake would dictate that the company has lost face on an EPIC level. Business accumen would dictate that person be removed from the company. You have lost many subscribers over this. I couldn't give an accurate percentage, but I'm quite sure it's over 0.5%. Such a hard hitting loss when looked at on the scale of the number of people that subscribe and those that were viewing is a stock dropping event. To recover said stock value one would only do so by ostracizing said employee, implementing policies to prevent said event in the future WITH TRANSPARENCY ON THOSE POLICIES, and reimbursing a digital equivalent of the value lost within game (Non monetary reimbursement).

NAH THEY SHOULD NUKE EVERY TEST SHIP LOGGED IN AT THE TIME OF NODE SHUTDOWN. OH AND GIVE FOUNTAIN/DELVE TO THE CFC.

And exactly how do you think the mechanics of this will work? Who will get the killmails for the kills? Do some of the Goon ships get randomly killed too or do all the Goon ships survive? Does CCP just randomly assign the kill shots? The damage scores? Sometimes you just get the shaft and you have to accept it. That's been something Goons have preached to others ad nauseum over and over forever on these forums. This time the tables are turned and the ones impaled on the shaft are you guys. Ho hum. You'll get over it.

The thing is, both sides were not 'winning.' There was a clear winner and loser here, TEST and Co. shed 280+ battleships and 24 carriers to kill ~85 battleships. They would have lost MUCH MUCH more had the nodes not crashed. So much more infact that it would probably have ended TEST's ability to respond to CFC fleets for the forseeable future.

I want these answered as well.

Oi!
Anything I could say to tell you how I really feel CCP, has already been said a hundred fold. I have been playing this game for a decade and I'm used to these monumental **** ups in the middle of monumental fleet battles. But you know, after 10 years I would imagine Im not the only one wondering why CCP advertises epic fleet battles when in reality the only thing epic about them is 10% time dilation and 5fps to watch it on. Granted its an improvement from the blob wars of the past when the first fleet into a battle system was guaranteed to win...
but how about modules that do nothing when you "click" them, leaving not even a trace in your server logs, node crashes in the middle of nowhere, tidi in systems with only 150 ships, etc. etc.
It seems im probably lucky I threw in the towel at 22:00 in absolute frustration, having to click on modules multiple times before your server picked up the command, cooking dinner before my megathron was even done warping off to safety. Yup, that was epic but my steak was much beter. if you spent the $300 I gave you last month more effectively, maybe you could have upgraded from the Pentium II processor you have running some of these systems. With all the brains over there, why the hell can't the biggest alliances enjoy the biggest fights? I mean really enjoy them, not just endure them? Get your **** together please before I freeze the account for another two years in the hopes that someone over there can make these battle enjoyable.
And by the way, thanks for saving the Test fleets. maybe after you upgrade your servers, they will bring their toys out to play again.

Side note to test:

bring more destroyers to B-D

That is all.

Lol.