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Tonight's fleet fight in Z9PP-H

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pmchem
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#81 - 2013-07-05 00:56:57 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

This was put into play at 22:14 UTC, however due to an error in communication, all systems including Z9PP-H itself were moved from the node, which caused everyone who was in the system and was involved in the ongoing fleet fight to be disconnected from Tranquility.


How do multiple people combine to make that mistake? If it was the mistake of just one person, what are his prior connections to corporations/alliances ingame? Why was this change not double checked before the node was remapped?

How can this mistake be made? Why should we trust you -- AT ALL -- that this will not happen again?

Will there be compensation or penalties ingame for the parties involved?

If it really was an intentionally incorrect entry -- er, I mean typo -- of the system name, how do you not have autocompletion or input correctness checking, like say a popular mapping tool that is in my signature?

Will internal affairs be involved in investigating this incident?

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Blawrf McTaggart
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#82 - 2013-07-05 00:57:29 UTC
what im trying to say is that no matter how you paint this my friends you're still losing fountain haha
Azzurian
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#83 - 2013-07-05 00:57:36 UTC
I could understand a situation where this randomly happens. But this is the second event during a major fight where the node just happened to be reset.

CCP said before that nodes of fights would not be brought offline and that nodes not related to the fights would be. In the case of the first major fight ccp took down the node on J5A system and left B-D system fully untouched. This allowed test to rep the ihub with 0 tidi and bring in reinforcements, while b-db was in full lockdown.

That was I guess part of the deal or at least okay. This happening with regards to the server in the middle of a fight is pretty poor. I was streaming the fight for the mittani dot com and I had several ccp people on the stream watching but the way its handled is bad. If say they had froze the system at 100% tidi and made everyone show up in local once the server was up, that would have been different.
Spathe Ne Boirelle
Dead Space Continuum
#84 - 2013-07-05 00:57:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Spathe Ne Boirelle
Not to sound mean but CCP did say when theres a big fight involved, you have to communicate that event to them in advance so they can prepare it.

If you tell CCP (anyone or any other corporation on the planet that is) at the last second they have to divert all resources to a node, then yes they are bound to be mistakes... like this one. personally, I don't blame CCP for this. It was told numerous times and from a long time ago to tell CCP about those events which was not done.
Dabigorangebarge
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#85 - 2013-07-05 00:58:17 UTC
Ralmar Kimnot wrote:
As has already been said, Mad Ani’s Twitch stream had over 5000 people watching including a number of CCP staff. The popularity of the steam got it onto the front page of Twitch and there were lots of people saying they would re-sub or sign up because they were really impressed by the scale of the fight.

I suspect it was the attention this was getting out of game that prompted CCP to try to improve performance. They should have just left it alone and made more effort to re-enforce nodes as these fights start to escalate in the future.

At the time the node went down, the Test Rohk fleets were dying like flies and server performance was picking up. With the TEST battleships out of the way all those carrier and dreads would have been next. CFC fleets were being constantly re-enforced so make no mistake, those caps were dead.

In my view CCP meddled with things to improve the spectacle for the twitch viewers and as a result prevented a truly great battle from playing out. It’s now going down in Eve history for the wrong reasons. Such a shame :-)

Just my opnion of course.



Hopefully all those people who would have subbed/resubbed dont now.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#86 - 2013-07-05 00:58:48 UTC
pmchem wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:

This was put into play at 22:14 UTC, however due to an error in communication, all systems including Z9PP-H itself were moved from the node, which caused everyone who was in the system and was involved in the ongoing fleet fight to be disconnected from Tranquility.


How do multiple people combine to make that mistake? If it was the mistake of just one person, what are his prior connections to corporations/alliances ingame? Why was this change not double checked before the node was remapped?

How can this mistake be made? Why should we trust you -- AT ALL -- that this will not happen again?

Will there be compensation or penalties ingame for the parties involved?

If it really was an intentionally incorrect entry -- er, I mean typo -- of the system name, how do you not have autocompletion or input correctness checking, like say a popular mapping tool that is in my signature?

Will internal affairs be involved in investigating this incident?

You'll log in later when you see a ping for that next megathron fleet, won't you?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Gerald Fnord
Backdoor Anomaly Exploration Corps
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#87 - 2013-07-05 00:59:27 UTC
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
what im trying to say is that no matter how you paint this my friends you're still losing fountain haha



Only according to the goon forums and infrequent mittens updates on TMC. In the real world that is not the case.
GoodSamaritan
Old Bittervets
Deepwater Hooligans
#88 - 2013-07-05 00:59:31 UTC
Organically the system got to 2200 people
Organically tidi came on, hard
And organically the node would have crashed, possibly, we will never know for sure

Because artificially CCP intervened to "improve the experience". Folks, sometimes fires burn themselves out, and it's best to just stay the hell out of the way.
Arch Ville
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#89 - 2013-07-05 01:00:02 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:


All pilots involved have our sincerest apologies for this error...


Everyone makes mistakes. Forget about it and move on.

Apologies accepted.
Blawrf McTaggart
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#90 - 2013-07-05 01:00:17 UTC
Gerald Fnord wrote:
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
what im trying to say is that no matter how you paint this my friends you're still losing fountain haha



Only according to the goon forums and infrequent mittens updates on TMC. In the real world that is not the case.


ok mate
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#91 - 2013-07-05 01:00:31 UTC
Azzurian wrote:
I could understand a situation where this randomly happens. But this is the second event during a major fight where the node just happened to be reset.

CCP said before that nodes of fights would not be brought offline and that nodes not related to the fights would be. In the case of the first major fight ccp took down the node on J5A system and left B-D system fully untouched. This allowed test to rep the ihub with 0 tidi and bring in reinforcements, while b-db was in full lockdown.

That was I guess part of the deal or at least okay. This happening with regards to the server in the middle of a fight is pretty poor. I was streaming the fight for the mittani dot com and I had several ccp people on the stream watching but the way its handled is bad. If say they had froze the system at 100% tidi and made everyone show up in local once the server was up, that would have been different.

Apparently the server doesn't "remember" who was in space when it went down.

So the logs show "literally" nothing (tackled TEST carrierwise)

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Zeph1rus
State War Academy
Caldari State
#92 - 2013-07-05 01:01:12 UTC
Gerald Fnord wrote:
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
what im trying to say is that no matter how you paint this my friends you're still losing fountain haha



Only according to the goon forums and infrequent mittens updates on TMC. In the real world that is not the case.


Cognitive Dissonance, thy name is TEST
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#93 - 2013-07-05 01:01:27 UTC
Arch Ville wrote:
CCP Falcon wrote:
All pilots involved have our sincerest apologies for this error...

Everyone makes mistakes. Forget about it and move on.

Apologies accepted.

Phew, luckily everyone accepted it uncritically. Success.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Gerald Fnord
Backdoor Anomaly Exploration Corps
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#94 - 2013-07-05 01:01:49 UTC
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
Gerald Fnord wrote:
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
what im trying to say is that no matter how you paint this my friends you're still losing fountain haha



Only according to the goon forums and infrequent mittens updates on TMC. In the real world that is not the case.


ok mate


Didn't have any spin in your back pocket for that one? Swing and a miss I guess.
Seditiar
Rood Licht Delven BV
#95 - 2013-07-05 01:01:56 UTC
Gerald Fnord wrote:
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
what im trying to say is that no matter how you paint this my friends you're still losing fountain haha



Only according to the goon forums and infrequent mittens updates on TMC. In the real world that is not the case.


Conquering a fountain in the real world isn't that hard, harder than in EVE Online though.
Kaj'Schak
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#96 - 2013-07-05 01:01:59 UTC
http://dog-net.org/brdoc/?brid=21532

So much stuff died in 5+h. gf.

CCP: nerf Celestis. Their optimal range bonus gives them way to much flexibility for a cheap cruiser.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#97 - 2013-07-05 01:02:06 UTC
Zeph1rus wrote:
Gerald Fnord wrote:
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
what im trying to say is that no matter how you paint this my friends you're still losing fountain haha

Only according to the goon forums and infrequent mittens updates on TMC. In the real world that is not the case.

Cognitive Dissonance, thy name is TEST

TEST Alliance Please Ignore... ignore what again?

These are not the carriers you are looking for.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#98 - 2013-07-05 01:02:50 UTC
Seditiar wrote:
Gerald Fnord wrote:
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
what im trying to say is that no matter how you paint this my friends you're still losing fountain haha

Only according to the goon forums and infrequent mittens updates on TMC. In the real world that is not the case.

Conquering a fountain in the real world isn't that hard, harder than in EVE Online though.

Heh, well when you put it like that, I guess eve online is realer than real.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
michael chasseur
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#99 - 2013-07-05 01:03:16 UTC
Zeph1rus wrote:
michael chasseur wrote:
the goon tears are worth 10x what we lost


At least our tears are reimbursed.


i get my caracals reimbursed faster than yours do

nomad pls
Blawrf McTaggart
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#100 - 2013-07-05 01:04:06 UTC
Gerald Fnord wrote:
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
Gerald Fnord wrote:
Blawrf McTaggart wrote:
what im trying to say is that no matter how you paint this my friends you're still losing fountain haha



Only according to the goon forums and infrequent mittens updates on TMC. In the real world that is not the case.


ok mate


Didn't have any spin in your back pocket for that one? Swing and a miss I guess.


you're simply not worth it :(