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CCP SERVER ENGINEERS ARE IN TEST

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Toshiro Ozuwara
Perkone
#521 - 2013-07-04 23:57:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Toshiro Ozuwara
SmilingVagrant wrote:
As a Systems Administrator myself

Tell us more about your professional credentials.

It didn't take long to locate the tracking beacon, deep inside the quarters for sleepin' They thought they could get away Not today, it's not the way that this kid plays
patrick elektros
Department of Defence
Get Off My Lawn
#522 - 2013-07-04 23:57:23 UTC
Zenk Faswell wrote:
Literally high-diving into an Olympic-sized pool of Goon tears.


only cause you would have lost almost all of your cap fleet, failed troll =p
teamz1ssou
Malakim Zealots
Angel Cartel
#523 - 2013-07-04 23:57:24 UTC
CCP this is a ******* joke.

Please update us on who gets fired for this shitstorm.
Le Creed
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#524 - 2013-07-04 23:57:25 UTC
Elendiathin wrote:
God dammit CCP. This is unnacceptable. You just saved hundreds of Mega's from my killboards, we're talking 400+ here. This is an absolute disgrace and absurd, and I demand they be added to my killboards immediately.


That is why you were told not to log back in correct?
Wibla
Tactical Narcotics Team
#525 - 2013-07-04 23:58:20 UTC
CCP Phantom wrote:


While I am not an engineer or server administrator I can give a brief overview: a live remap disconnects all players in the system and removes all ships from space similar to a downtime.

The command to remap everything other than Z9PP-H from the current server node was mis-entered. Instead of moving everything else than Z9PP-H, the command was given to move everything else than Q9PP-H. Therefore Z9PP-H (and everything else on the current node) was remapped with the fatal consequences we see now.

Every live remap of a system, and this remap is no exception, works in such a way that all players in the system are disconnected and all ships are removed from space. The usual player logoff mechanics with all associated timers are just not relevant during downtime or live remaps.

Please also note that further information is currently being compiled to give you a more detailed overview.


I would say that the server state before remap is extremely relevant.

I have no qualms with a node remap during a fight if the server state is saved, which means that both (all) parties involved in the fight remain locked into the fight and cannot chicken out just because of the remap taking place.
Toshiro Ozuwara
Perkone
#526 - 2013-07-04 23:58:30 UTC
Is it safe to say that Test won today? Because if the CFC won, this sure is a lot of crying.

It didn't take long to locate the tracking beacon, deep inside the quarters for sleepin' They thought they could get away Not today, it's not the way that this kid plays
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#527 - 2013-07-04 23:58:38 UTC
Visione wrote:
Daktar Jaxs wrote:
When you are employed to do a job making a mistake major mistake isn't a oh whoops, messed up there, carry on guys. I am frankly stunned at CCP's attitude to this.

it happend like freacking 15 minutes ago, PR might not even been called out of bed yet. so just wait before you make a comment like that, wouldn't suprise me if they come with a public statement/news ****

Yes, I'd like to hear their carefully crafted "yes, after much contemplation of the universe... screw you."

Given how our CEO updates go, perhaps they should hire The Mittani to help out.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Primus Fortune
Legion Ascending
Fraternity.
#528 - 2013-07-04 23:58:56 UTC
i guess military grade hardware is only as good as its operator? all that isk and no anti derp program.

http://m.pcgamer.com/2013/06/15/eve-online

Johan March
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#529 - 2013-07-04 23:59:09 UTC
I'm going to just give CCP the benefit of the doubt. It sucks, but c'est le vie.

But the smugness from TEST et. al. is so false. But for CCP's "oops" your entire capital fleet would've been annihilated.
You might want to dial the smugposting, just a bit, considering your asses got saved by an oops.

On the upside, when the Mrs. called for dinner, I just walked downstairs.
Scally Dog
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#530 - 2013-07-04 23:59:43 UTC
Sophaya Fortelleren wrote:
I would likely be very mad at this if I was in the CFC, but as I'm not... LOLOLOLOLOLOL QQ CFC, QQ Goons, YEAAAAAAAAH BOIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII!


Enjoy your victorious triumph, it only prolongs the bleeding
Arrgthepirate
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#531 - 2013-07-04 23:59:54 UTC
I hope the poor nerd who ****** up only has to work weekends for a month or something and doesn't get fired.
Dheeradj Nurgle
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#532 - 2013-07-04 23:59:55 UTC
Le Creed wrote:
Elendiathin wrote:
God dammit CCP. This is unnacceptable. You just saved hundreds of Mega's from my killboards, we're talking 400+ here. This is an absolute disgrace and absurd, and I demand they be added to my killboards immediately.


That is why you were told not to log back in correct?


Get back to your cage Pet.
Schadenfraud
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#533 - 2013-07-05 00:00:00 UTC
Jack Tronic wrote:
Schadenfraud wrote:
CCP Phantom wrote:
GRIEV3R wrote:
In spite of all the idiots sperging on this thread, I have one honest question: Why weren't the tackled capital ships still there when we logged back in?

They were in warp disruption bubbles with agro timers. According to everything I know about logoff mechanics, they should not have moved anywhere, regardless of server crashes, characters log offs, or any amount of tinfoil.

I'm willing to accept that it was a simple mistake and there was no foul play, but only if you can give us a solid explanation for why the carriers disappeared from the field, in contradiction to well-established logoff mechanics.


Please explain CCP.


While I am not an engineer or server administrator I can give a brief overview: a live remap disconnects all players in the system and removes all ships from space similar to a downtime.

The command to remap everything other than Z9PP-H from the current server node was mis-entered. Instead of moving everything else than Z9PP-H, the command was given to move everything else than Q9PP-H. Therefore Z9PP-H (and everything else on the current node) was remapped with the fatal consequences we see now.

Every live remap of a system, and this remap is no exception, works in such a way that all players in the system are disconnected and all ships are removed from space. The usual player logoff mechanics with all associated timers are just not relevant during downtime or live remaps.

Please also note that further information is currently being compiled to give you a more detailed overview.



Why does this system require typed in system names instead of a physical drop box for what systems are on whichever node you are balancing out?


A majority of all server administration is done via command line pretty much world wide. GUIs waste system resources, and just limit what you can do. Not to mention it's rather hard to automate repititve tasks. Many tasks are automated through scripts.



Well even if it isn't GUI, and I do understand that reasoning, why is not an auto-complete based on available systems to be moved from the node?

And why is there no sanity checking for the inputs?

There are about 10 different problems with "Q9PP" and only one or two of those are related to any possible GUI or GUI-like management utility.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#534 - 2013-07-05 00:00:05 UTC
Primus Fortune wrote:
i guess military grade hardware is only as good as its operator? all that isk and no anti derp program.

http://m.pcgamer.com/2013/06/15/eve-online



"military-grade hardware" means it's outdated by several generations and made by the lowest bidder

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#535 - 2013-07-05 00:00:32 UTC
Johan March wrote:
I'm going to just give CCP the benefit of the doubt. It sucks, but c'est le vie.

But the smugness from TEST et. al. is so false. But for CCP's "oops" your entire capital fleet would've been annihilated.
You might want to dial the smugposting, just a bit, considering your asses got saved by an oops.

On the upside, when the Mrs. called for dinner, I just walked downstairs.

What did you have for dinner?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Ayures
Perkone
Caldari State
#536 - 2013-07-05 00:00:50 UTC
teamz1ssou wrote:
CCP this is a ******* joke.

Please update us on who gets fired for this shitstorm.


It was probably the same guy that keeps saving goon dreads.
Le Creed
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#537 - 2013-07-05 00:01:25 UTC
Toshiro Ozuwara wrote:
Is it safe to say that Test won today? Because if the CFC won, this sure is a lot of crying.


The CFC won the fight by a longshot but was denied the ability to curbstomp the entire TEST capital fleet, which would probably have ended the war.
Elendiathin
Foo Holdings
AL3XAND3R.
#538 - 2013-07-05 00:01:35 UTC
Le Creed wrote:
Elendiathin wrote:
God dammit CCP. This is unnacceptable. You just saved hundreds of Mega's from my killboards, we're talking 400+ here. This is an absolute disgrace and absurd, and I demand they be added to my killboards immediately.


That is why you were told not to log back in correct?


We're being polite and letting you extract your ships safely. Wouldn't want to dunk so hard that you won't field battleships again for ages. Fights are fun.
Danny Calamity
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#539 - 2013-07-05 00:01:41 UTC
Ayures wrote:
teamz1ssou wrote:
CCP this is a ******* joke.

Please update us on who gets fired for this shitstorm.


It was probably the same guy that keeps saving goon dreads.


Shh, don't talk about that. Goon leadership never told the line members that happened. Can't let Goon morale take another hit or the march on VFK will be rather boring.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#540 - 2013-07-05 00:02:00 UTC
Andski wrote:
Primus Fortune wrote:
i guess military grade hardware is only as good as its operator? all that isk and no anti derp program.

http://m.pcgamer.com/2013/06/15/eve-online

"military-grade hardware" means it's outdated by several generations and made by the lowest bidder

....

Hmm, hadn't thought of it that way.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?