EVE General Discussion

Yes, but the others spouting the same drivel in here aren't brain surgeons, they just parrot what Tippia says without any understanding...

In fact, haven't seen many brain surgeons in general forums at all lately.....

The reality is, if the greifers all left in droves (god know's where they'd go.....goons wanna answer that?) the game would survive and would would quite probably continue to increase it sub numbers as it becomes more casual friendly..casual is where the money is....

Honestly I dont see a lot of burst or navitas kms on the boards. What I do see from suiciders are a lot of high value targets. T3 cruiser parts, moon minerals, dead space mods.... things that a brand new player does not use nor should be able to afford. And honestly I dont see a lot of lolz in ganking such ships. You do pose and interesting question as to the amounts of lol worthy or abuse ganking of frigate miners etc. Now you could argue that retriever or covetor ganks could be styled as griefing of the noob, though covetors really need to be out of the equation imo as if you can skill a covetor your really only 8 hours away from a hulk and you should be 2-3 months into your training and therefore competent to understand the risks inherent in the system of Eve.

But to say that anyones hitting someone over the head with a pail and a shovel when it happens and that it should be disallowed is rather amusing to me. Mostly in the fact that Eve is billed as a pirate game from the get go. Now Im sure youll return with the not everyone wishes to play that way. But as one thats been on the flip side and seen both sides of the game I think I can safely say that you do learn and quickly to mitigate risk but you can never take it all away no matter what you do. Nor should someone be able to.

Now as for the depicting of targets to be victimized issue I entirely disagree yet again. Any ship in eve will die if the proper amount of firepower is applied to it. Whatever they may be. This is a fundamental reason Eve is what it is today, the ability to destroy someone elses toys in a violent and ruthless way. If you undock you do so with the single reality in mind: what I have that I undock in CAN and might be destroyed, do I really want to undock and "play" this game? This is a lesson people learn, often the hard way. Myself included, and I learned it.... *gulp* as a NOOB.

To say that all people use the suicide gank as a means to get back at the world is the farthest thing for me. Im certain some do and will continue to. That is life and how humanity works. Id suggest getting used to that fact in this game, any game you play and life in general or else things will go very hard for you.

I dont ever want to see Eve go safe play. I got blown up by m0o back in the old days running through low sec to our manufacturing bases often. In many "unfair" and mean ways. Ive been blown up by blues in gate camps in null because I had something worth stealing in my hold. Ive been blown up by blues because I was probably killing their neutral cyno alts at a gate camp too many times for their liking. Ive had hundreds of millions of isk go poof in suicide ganks. Been can flipped and lost hours of mining or entire jetcans of ore. Ive been the noob and Ive stayed in game and learned and now use many of the same tactics and more Ive thought of and learned along the way. I dont want to see a nice safe, sane, consensual gaming style. Im sure 90% of the players out there were noobs once too and Id love them to chime in and say how they learned how to deal with and overcome things. Player retention is not a valid argument. Oh the poor noobs!!! Is not a battlecry worthy of anything as they have so little to do with the overall gaming picture regarding suiciding, insurance and the like to even make it worthy of comment imo.

In what way? I'm not talking about activities here, but about personality.
Attitude and (commonly) a sense of entitlement. These two tend to restrict them to a select few activities, but it is not the activities that define the bear.
Attitude and (commonly) an ability to detach gameplay from RL. In most other games, the activity would be a defining factor, but since everything in EVE is PvP-like, that becomes a rather useless distinction to try. Some will want to ascribe combat as a defining characteristic, but I feel that leaves out too many other vicious battlefields…

Look, you can be as huffy as you like about what I said, but you know full well what I mean by those two categorisations. If you stop overdramatising the whole thing for a second and just use the conventional meanings of the words, and then re-read what I wrote… can you honestly say that it isn't true?
No, you are not really a carebear. You are simply someone who enjoys the activities that are often associated with the carebear attitude, but you don't actually share that attitude. That's why I said what I said in that post: if the dyed-in-the-wool carebears were to leave, people like you would happily step in and take their place, while still engaging in PvP on the side.

If, on the other hand, everyone but those carebears were to leave, there would be nothing left for the carebears to do since their activities only deal with (at best) a third of the economic cycle. The whole thing would collapse in no time.

What category am i? Probably neither. I would probably say that I subscribe to the PvPer attitude and detachment, but I don't currently engage in the activities that are traditionally associated with them, nor am I vicious enough in the other PvP areas to fully qualify.

I'm still asking how, by refusing to join the multiplayer fraternity in a multiplayer game, not being involved in ganking or ship to ship PvP, that you feel you should even have a view on ANY of this?

This is like The Mittani explaining how to mine Veldspar when I'm actually looking for an opinion from the likes of Chribba.

Stop cluttering the thread with oft quoted guff Tippia.

Your welcome, I look forward to another half hearted goon effort.

That's a fair comment but misguided. Tippia doesn't actually seem to have an opinion. He just shreds posts, paraphrases and dissimeninates the context without actually adding.

It's a rather strange phenonema and could quite possibly become a meme - "A Tippia Post". Quote everything, argue everything but say nothing.

Have you been to low and null? I have. Lived there for a long time actually. Many years. Tried to make the best of it, but let me assure you, there is nothing "hard" about either of those areas. In fact, I felt quite safe in null-sec especially. All of the pvp was entirely consensual, there were never any surprises, and you knew exactly what you were facing. Losses were guaranteed, and were simply calculated into daily profit/loss calculations that determined how much you needed to rat.

High-sec isn't like that. You never fully know who the enemy is, who their spies are, who their logistics alts are. There are no bubbles, so catching your enemies takes skill and cunning instead of Anchoring II. High-sec is by far the harsher and harder pvp environment than null-sec. I've got my perfect EVE here.


Thank you for seeing the bigger picture, and understanding what the gankers consider to be the real issue. I don't know how many times we can repeat that the insurance nerf, in itself, is insignificant for us. I've pretty much given up, however. These people will grasp at whatever straws they can.


As someone who runs an actual mercenary corporation, I feel that this would be one of the best things to happen to this game.


And NOW, ladies and gentlemen, we finally get to that compromise thing that I mentioned earlier. You see, when you put something like that on the table, insurance nerfs and CONCORD buffs are a lot easier to swallow. Unfortunately for you, you've just alienated yourself from the people you're trying to protect. Proposing a decrease in high-sec rewards makes you carebear public enemy #1. You're one of us now. Might as well suit up one of those Tempests.


So, even though you've never done any pvp, you talk about it as if you have absolute knowledge of the matter? And you also claim absolute understanding of the pvper mindset? Fascinating.

Tell you what, get as prepared as you like, then put your above claim to the test.

I don't know why you keep insisting I'm crying. My alliance reimburses my ship losses and pays a bounty for every miner I kill so the loss of insurance isn't going to affect me at all.

An interesting point but how many suicide ganks are funded by a massive alliance with trillions of isk at their disposal? I see that as a massive and unfair advantage.

Of course, if CCP declare that might is right (and it will forever remain) and you use it as justification to destroy small players repeatedly then it's non-arguable isn't it?

Which is the point of debate. Is this kind of mechanic acceptable to the majority and does CCP need to address this?

Your question is based on a fantasy world that has no connection to EVE, so I suggest you post it somewhere else than on the EVE forums.

Since it is a completely nonsensical question, I can only offer you a nonsensical answer.
Purple banana. This answers your question in full.
Ah, so that's the problem: you aren't actually reading what I write. Well, then stop questioning my posts based on your hallucinations.