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PvP is totally uncompetitive and unfair

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Verunae Caseti
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#221 - 2013-07-01 14:49:28 UTC
Bort Malice wrote:
TEST tried to gank me last night. They outnumbered me 5 to one, and similarly outgunned me.
My brain was bigger however and by practising DvP (Denial vs Player Combat) I defeated them.


Last confirmed kill: 05/20/12 19:51:00

Yeah, this totally happened.
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#222 - 2013-07-01 14:49:50 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
I too would like to have the win/loss record of an ace pilot... without actually spending the time necessary to learn the personal skills to become one.

I have over 90% efficiency, due to being carried by my corp, because I am a terribad. It's almost like this isn't a single player game or something. vOv

(No, that wasn't a direct jab at your comment, it just inspired me to say that, so I quoted it.)
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#223 - 2013-07-01 14:54:35 UTC
Skawl wrote:
Peter Raptor wrote:
Ive played over 3 years, and have never got a kill, but been killed plenty of times, I joined a corp, and soon contributed to about 9 kills,

moral of the story, Eve is about team work, if you wanna solo pvp get a corp to teach you, so you still need a corp.


This. Most of the time, if you're trying to solo PvP, the only people who will engage you either have a massive amount of training/fitting superiority (and probably offgrid boosing alts) or have support waiting to come in. You can still win fights but you'll need zen like levels of patience waiting for the right targets (and the knowledge of what is the right target for what you are flying).

In small/med gangs, newbros can shine.


But that's the fun part, solo PvP. When you can ace another 1v1 that a thrill. It's even better if you can kill a group solo.

That's why I'm in no rush to pewpewpew in a destroyer as some webber/scrambler. Spending the time to skill up and study instead.

It's no different than what I did in WoW. I'm a healer the #1 target, but I'll flag myself taking flags and waiting for a juicy target (like a overconfident rogue). Most memorable PvP I had is when a rogue comes out, can't lock down, and I cream him on pure skill alone (as I have no DPS as a healer).

I'll save the grouping for things like incursions (as they're like raids). But PvP, I'll be looking for targets, juicy targets.

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#224 - 2013-07-01 14:57:49 UTC
Verunae Caseti wrote:
Bort Malice wrote:
TEST tried to gank me last night. They outnumbered me 5 to one, and similarly outgunned me.
My brain was bigger however and by practising DvP (Denial vs Player Combat) I defeated them.


Last confirmed kill: 05/20/12 19:51:00

Yeah, this totally happened.


er, I think he means he ran away.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Bort Malice
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#225 - 2013-07-01 14:59:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Bort Malice
Malcanis wrote:
Verunae Caseti wrote:
Bort Malice wrote:
TEST tried to gank me last night. They outnumbered me 5 to one, and similarly outgunned me.
My brain was bigger however and by practising DvP (Denial vs Player Combat) I defeated them.


Last confirmed kill: 05/20/12 19:51:00

Yeah, this totally happened.


er, I think he means he ran away.



Yes I ran away! DvP: DENIAL of player combat. I dont waste my ships in one sided PVPs I dont win! Which is all of them, as Veruca Castment there pointed out, Im not very good at killing folk.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#226 - 2013-07-01 15:10:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Seven Koskanaiken
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
[quote=don santo]...oh, and the fact that a Condor was willing to engage a Firetail that was already in a plex was a pretty big giveaway too.


In zero sum games where all players are assumed to be rational actors the optimal strategy is to refuse all offers one's opponents make voluntarily a.k.a...it's a trap.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#227 - 2013-07-01 15:15:32 UTC
Bort Malice wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Verunae Caseti wrote:
Bort Malice wrote:
TEST tried to gank me last night. They outnumbered me 5 to one, and similarly outgunned me.
My brain was bigger however and by practising DvP (Denial vs Player Combat) I defeated them.


Last confirmed kill: 05/20/12 19:51:00

Yeah, this totally happened.


er, I think he means he ran away.



Yes I ran away! DvP: DENIAL of player combat. I dont waste my ships in one sided PVPs I dont win! Which is all of them, as Veruca Castment there pointed out, Im not very good at killing folk.


From what I know of TEST, they're quite easy to kill. Null corp I was in was farming them pretty regularly as it is. They regarded them as n00bs. So chances are you could've killed them. Pirate

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Bort Malice
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#228 - 2013-07-01 15:20:21 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:

From what I know of TEST, they're quite easy to kill. Null corp I was in was farming them pretty regularly as it is. They regarded them as n00bs. So chances are you could've killed them. Pirate


Possibly, but my weapons weren't in any way tailored for PvP and with a cyno up , that in my mind gives them a maximum fleet size of the entire alliance, so like all combat, I didnt want to risk it when I could just leave the battlefield.
Alundil
Rolled Out
#229 - 2013-07-01 15:28:11 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
basiclly if you want to PvP in this game your screwed as a starting player. People say that you can pvp at any level but I call them lies. Pretty much any chance of PvP you get the enemy will be with tech 2 guns and faction ammo or in a bigger ship than you. Everyone has webifier and warp jammers so you can't escape and then you lose your ship. With luck you might keep your pod, if not you lose your expensive to get implants.

Nothing is fun about this for the new player and it is all just a money sink.

Its only fun for the people who have the skills and money to get the best guns and then its game over for you.

THERE IS NO POINT OF PVP FOR NEW PLAYERS


Learn the mechanics of the various ships you may choose to fly. Learn the mechanics of the various ships you may choose to engage. Learn the mechanics of the weapons systems employed on each. Armed with that knowledge, don't engage what you should (at that point) know will kill you 1v1.

If you don't know how to get this data, or where to start, then ask questions like a mature person seeking solutions as opposed to coming to the forums claiming "it's not fair....blah blah blah"

Character age/SP is only a small facet of the meaningful conditions of PVP engagements (just a hint: it's not the most important part either)

I'm right behind you
Soylent Jade
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#230 - 2013-07-01 15:47:05 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
why should I bother wasting my time on pvp when I can just go back to mining where I can actually make money and feeling like I'm doing something. In PvP I feel like nothing.


Don't forget to buy your mining permit if you decide to do that.

Making hisec better...one Catalyst at a time

minerbumping.com
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#231 - 2013-07-01 15:51:11 UTC
Soylent Jade wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
why should I bother wasting my time on pvp when I can just go back to mining where I can actually make money and feeling like I'm doing something. In PvP I feel like nothing.


Don't forget to buy your mining permit if you decide to do that.



Also here is a free tear as I figure Paul is all cried out;



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Enjoy

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Norm Tempesta
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#232 - 2013-07-01 17:50:33 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
I too would like to have the win/loss record of an ace pilot... without actually spending the time necessary to learn the personal skills to become one.

I have over 90% efficiency, due to being carried by my corp, because I am a terribad. It's almost like this isn't a single player game or something. vOv

(No, that wasn't a direct jab at your comment, it just inspired me to say that, so I quoted it.)



Haha, proviblob for the win.
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#233 - 2013-07-01 17:51:50 UTC
Norm Tempesta wrote:
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
I too would like to have the win/loss record of an ace pilot... without actually spending the time necessary to learn the personal skills to become one.

I have over 90% efficiency, due to being carried by my corp, because I am a terribad. It's almost like this isn't a single player game or something. vOv

(No, that wasn't a direct jab at your comment, it just inspired me to say that, so I quoted it.)



Haha, proviblob for the win.

Provi? I fly in FW now, and was in Wicked Creek before that, and Querious before that.
Norm Tempesta
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#234 - 2013-07-01 17:54:34 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Norm Tempesta wrote:
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
I too would like to have the win/loss record of an ace pilot... without actually spending the time necessary to learn the personal skills to become one.

I have over 90% efficiency, due to being carried by my corp, because I am a terribad. It's almost like this isn't a single player game or something. vOv

(No, that wasn't a direct jab at your comment, it just inspired me to say that, so I quoted it.)



Haha, proviblob for the win.

Provi? I fly in FW now, and was in Wicked Creek before that, and Querious before that.



I was agreeing with you about the value of corpmates. We are known around here for blobbing, I guess.
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#235 - 2013-07-01 18:05:09 UTC
Norm Tempesta wrote:


I was agreeing with you about the value of corpmates. We are known around here for blobbing, I guess.

Ohhh, I gotcha. Yeah, I've had some interesting fights in Provi before when wormholes were kind to my alliances. I remember going over there in a frig/kitchen sink roam once, and getting met by Drakes with Rapid Light Missile Launchers fit. I was not expecting a Drake to be able to kill a Punisher in just a few volleys. xD
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#236 - 2013-07-01 19:24:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Otichoda
Update

I've ditched the Kestrel, its just too weak to engage in pvp without support and gone over to the merlin. That is much better, can actually equib a warp jammer and still tank.

Also got into a good fight with a frigate as well. Seem to have tech 1 weapons and was probadly a new player like me. Was able to get him an orbit where I was damaging him more than me. He was active armour tanking and I think I was about to exhaust his capacitor. It was at this point that he burned away from me outside my warp jammer range and escaped.

Now that was actually kind of fun and not just a hopeless fight. Wish there where more people like that on the battlefield.

might try the condor next.
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#237 - 2013-07-01 19:42:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloodpetal
Ok.

Let's have a discussion with which you can relate.

If this is world of warcraft and your nubby level 2 character tried to attack a level 80 character with mad lootz.

Who would win?

Ya, ok. Now, here's the difference from your little world of warcraft mentality.

If you get yourself a decent PVP crew. Destroy any egocentric narcissistic attitude, humble yourself and learn to fight properly, you can learn to be a better player and wipe any semblance of advantage that "skill points" give. There is a reason when you join the real military, they shave you down, they work your ass into submission until you have nothing left to make you feel like a special little butterfly.

EVE isn't about how you're a special butterfly. It's about being a rabid blood thirsty rabbit dug into a (worm) hole armed only with the razor ship buck teeth you honed on the corpses of your victims. If you're lucky enough.

Where I am.
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#238 - 2013-07-01 19:51:50 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Update

I've ditched the Kestrel, its just too weak to engage in pvp with support and gone over to the merlin. That is much better, can actually equib a warp jammer and still tank.

Also got into a good fight with a frigate as well. Seem to have tech 1 weapons and was probadly a new player like me. Was able to get him an orbit where I was damaging him more than me. He was active armour tanking and I think I was about to exhaust his capacitor. It was at this point that he burned away from me outside my warp jammer range and escaped.

Now that was actually kind of fun and not just a hopeless fight. Wish there where more people like that on the battlefield.

might try the condor next.

Condor works very similar to the Kestrel. It shines best when used as a kiter. If brawling is more your style, stick with something like the Merlin or blaster Incursus. Or hell, if you want a decent tank as well as the ability to kite, try a rail Incursus or the Tristan.

Oh, make sure to use a scrambler and web, not a disruptor on brawler ships. If you can't shut off a kiter's MWD, they will quickly get out of range of your blasters, then just proceed to spend five minutes making you feel stupid as they plink you to death from 20+km away.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#239 - 2013-07-01 19:53:50 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Update

I've ditched the Kestrel, its just too weak to engage in pvp with support and gone over to the merlin. That is much better, can actually equib a warp jammer and still tank.

Also got into a good fight with a frigate as well. Seem to have tech 1 weapons and was probadly a new player like me. Was able to get him an orbit where I was damaging him more than me. He was active armour tanking and I think I was about to exhaust his capacitor. It was at this point that he burned away from me outside my warp jammer range and escaped.

Now that was actually kind of fun and not just a hopeless fight. Wish there where more people like that on the battlefield.

might try the condor next.

Condor works very similar to the Kestrel. It shines best when used as a kiter. If brawling is more your style, stick with something like the Merlin or blaster Incursus. Or hell, if you want a decent tank as well as the ability to kite, try a rail Incursus or the Tristan.

Oh, make sure to use a scrambler and web, not a disruptor on brawler ships. If you can't shut off a kiter's MWD, they will quickly get out of range of your blasters, then just proceed to spend five minutes making you feel stupid as they plink you to death from 20+km away.


I recommend Bantam

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#240 - 2013-07-01 20:03:05 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:

I recommend Bantam

I couldn't figure out why I knew that ship name, yet couldn't recall what it did. Then I looked it up....bwahahahahahahalogifrig. Yeah, that was a good idea, on paper.