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PvP is totally uncompetitive and unfair

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Oxandrolone
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#201 - 2013-07-01 00:22:46 UTC
Join a PvP corp who already knows what they are doing, you dont have to reinvent the wheel and figure everything out for yourself
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#202 - 2013-07-01 01:54:18 UTC
I read this post this morning, decided not to reply, then I got home this evening, and look!


IT'S STILL A TERRIBLE ******* POST.

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#203 - 2013-07-01 06:05:41 UTC
I will joust with you noble space knight.
Ace Uoweme
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#204 - 2013-07-01 06:08:19 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
I will joust with you noble space knight.


When EvE's PvP is affordable; not a bot haven and friendly to 1v1. The jousting then will be more widespread!

_"In a world of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." _ ~George Orwell
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#205 - 2013-07-01 08:22:13 UTC
I was on a live stream a week ago where I fit up a T1 tormentor using all meta 0 modules and I killed an incursus and a rifter, podded the rifter pilot too.

:D

The Drake is a Lie
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#206 - 2013-07-01 08:27:20 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
I will joust with you noble space knight.


When EvE's PvP is affordable; not a bot haven and friendly to 1v1. The jousting then will be more widespread!


You're doing it wrong if PvP isn't affordable to you, because a whole BUNCH of guys that I know, and occasionally myself, just throw away ships and laugh about it.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Maybelater Headache
Doomheim
#207 - 2013-07-01 09:17:56 UTC
Spurty wrote:
Join corp

Go roam in fleet of 20, at least 4 Falcons , one Arazu and a Rapier

Find lamer 1v1 hero

Alpha them

Wait for tears on forums (no tears, assume they cried a lot on their corp comms)

Be smug

Profit (probably not as your corp
Mate with salvagers and tractor beams that joins every fleet in a rifter got the isk



Fixed it for you.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#208 - 2013-07-01 09:21:23 UTC
Ace Uoweme wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
I will joust with you noble space knight.


When EvE's PvP is affordable; not a bot haven and friendly to 1v1. The jousting then will be more widespread!


What kind of industrialist cant afford T1 cruisers?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#209 - 2013-07-01 09:23:02 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Zappity wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:


I'll try to do something else, perhaps exploration


Quick update on this, decided to jump into a wormhole after scanning it. Got my ship instant killed by a sleeper, then as I attempted to attack in the pod to sucided another 2 players came along and killed the drones. And then killed me for purely existing.

overall rather annoying but kind of fun.


Yes, wormholes are very unforgiving. Try high and lowsec exploration sites first. You will want a covert ops frigate ASAP for low.


I've been trying and haven't found much.

Found one relic site but didn't get anything good from it. And I've spent 2 hours running around doing nothing as I scan targets that turn into wormholes that I can't use. It takes me 20 minute to scan down one location and sometimes it just vanishes. This route just doesn't seem to give you anything at this level.


IIRC there are ways to filter your results.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Skawl
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#210 - 2013-07-01 09:30:25 UTC
Peter Raptor wrote:
Ive played over 3 years, and have never got a kill, but been killed plenty of times, I joined a corp, and soon contributed to about 9 kills,

moral of the story, Eve is about team work, if you wanna solo pvp get a corp to teach you, so you still need a corp.


This. Most of the time, if you're trying to solo PvP, the only people who will engage you either have a massive amount of training/fitting superiority (and probably offgrid boosing alts) or have support waiting to come in. You can still win fights but you'll need zen like levels of patience waiting for the right targets (and the knowledge of what is the right target for what you are flying).

In small/med gangs, newbros can shine.


  • Get your navigation and prop jamming skills up a bit and a small roaming gang will love your ability to stop people running away.
  • Get your cap skills and remote shield/armor transfer skills trained and small gangs will love that you keep them of the field even when the odds are against them.
  • Get your ECM / sensor damp skills up and your gang will love your ability to take other ships out of the fight.


Get those trained and you have a decent amount of versatility for PvP. The good news is that since the recent ship rebalacing, the tech 1 varieties of these ships are pretty awesome so you can give each of these roles a try without investing massive amounts of SP. You can then specialise in the one(s) you enjoy most to get to the tech 2 ships and modules.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#211 - 2013-07-01 12:55:39 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
basiclly if you want to PvP in this game your screwed as a starting player. People say that you can pvp at any level but I call them lies. Pretty much any chance of PvP you get the enemy will be with tech 2 guns and faction ammo or in a bigger ship than you. Everyone has webifier and warp jammers so you can't escape and then you lose your ship. With luck you might keep your pod, if not you lose your expensive to get implants.

Nothing is fun about this for the new player and it is all just a money sink.

Its only fun for the people who have the skills and money to get the best guns and then its game over for you.

THERE IS NO POINT OF PVP FOR NEW PLAYERS


honestly i have to say it really sucks, lost 10-20 ships until i brought my first opponent down, however as soon as that happens it will start to be fun, maybe fly with me and my team, we go to VFK and kick some goons in the butt, some old players some new, no skill is needed except maybe a T1 cloak device... I'm not older then 3 month in the game as well, however its doable...

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Bort Malice
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#212 - 2013-07-01 13:31:45 UTC
TEST tried to gank me last night. They outnumbered me 5 to one, and similarly outgunned me.
My brain was bigger however and by practising DvP (Denial vs Player Combat) I defeated them.
Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#213 - 2013-07-01 13:32:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Jarod Garamonde
Paul Otichoda wrote:
basiclly if you want to PvP in this game your screwed as a starting player. People say that you can pvp at any level but I call them lies. Pretty much any chance of PvP you get the enemy will be with tech 2 guns and faction ammo or in a bigger ship than you. Everyone has webifier and warp jammers so you can't escape and then you lose your ship. With luck you might keep your pod, if not you lose your expensive to get implants.

Nothing is fun about this for the new player and it is all just a money sink.

Its only fun for the people who have the skills and money to get the best guns and then its game over for you.

THERE IS NO POINT OF PVP FOR NEW PLAYERS


I had less than 2.5 mil SP when I got my first kill.

And, bigger ship doesn't always equal better than smaller. In fact, it RARELY does.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#214 - 2013-07-01 13:38:30 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
basiclly if you want to PvP in this game your screwed as a starting player. People say that you can pvp at any level but I call them lies. Pretty much any chance of PvP you get the enemy will be with tech 2 guns and faction ammo or in a bigger ship than you. Everyone has webifier and warp jammers so you can't escape and then you lose your ship. With luck you might keep your pod, if not you lose your expensive to get implants.

Nothing is fun about this for the new player and it is all just a money sink.

Its only fun for the people who have the skills and money to get the best guns and then its game over for you.

THERE IS NO POINT OF PVP FOR NEW PLAYERS


I had less than 2.5 mil SP when I got my first kill.

And, bigger ship doesn't always equal better than smaller. In fact, it RARELY does.

Bigger only=better when you are shooting at structures...christ those things have a lot of HP.
Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#215 - 2013-07-01 13:50:11 UTC
Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
basiclly if you want to PvP in this game your screwed as a starting player. People say that you can pvp at any level but I call them lies. Pretty much any chance of PvP you get the enemy will be with tech 2 guns and faction ammo or in a bigger ship than you. Everyone has webifier and warp jammers so you can't escape and then you lose your ship. With luck you might keep your pod, if not you lose your expensive to get implants.

Nothing is fun about this for the new player and it is all just a money sink.

Its only fun for the people who have the skills and money to get the best guns and then its game over for you.

THERE IS NO POINT OF PVP FOR NEW PLAYERS


I had less than 2.5 mil SP when I got my first kill.

And, bigger ship doesn't always equal better than smaller. In fact, it RARELY does.

Bigger only=better when you are shooting at structures...christ those things have a lot of HP.


Rookie Ships can fit all the equipment needed to send an orbital bombardment for our DUSTbunny friends.
In under a week, any pilot can have all the skills they need to tackle a target for their corpmates.
You need only be able to use combat scan probes, fit a cloak, and be able to withstand one cycle from a large smartbomb, and you can kill Marauders in highsec mission pockets... that can be done within the first month.
Duelling is a valid PvP pursuit, and honestly... that's the only fair PvP there is, if you do it right. The other guy meets your terms, or you don't accept. If you're observant enough, there can be no surprises except for fittings, and nobody else can interfere. You can start that from the first hour after your toon is "born".

I could keep going.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Jarod Garamonde
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#216 - 2013-07-01 13:52:34 UTC
But my real point is..... EVE, much like real life, ain't supposed to be fair.
Get used to it, or give me all your stuff, and I'll paste the link to Aion for you.

Embrace the unfair. Love the unfair. Become one with the unfair. Revel in it.
That's how bittervets are created.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
don santo
#217 - 2013-07-01 14:02:55 UTC
It does not take long to train up t2 small guns and frigates. The problem also seems to be you went to faction warfare solo. faction warfare is a group effort. If you want to solo go gank ratters or bait mission runners.

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Gallowmere Rorschach
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#218 - 2013-07-01 14:08:06 UTC
don santo wrote:
It does not take long to train up t2 small guns and frigates. The problem also seems to be you went to faction warfare solo. faction warfare is a group effort. If you want to solo go gank ratters or bait mission runners.

You can get some decent solo action in FW, you just have to develop a feel for calling it. As an example, I saw a Condor sitting outside my novice plex for a good two to three minutes. Something about it didn't feel right, so I aligned out. As soon as he entered the plex and started yellowboxing me, his five man gankwagon jumped in system, so I warped out. Luckily for me, their timing was terrible, as they didn't actually wait for him to point me. I suppose they were worried that they wouldn't make the 15 AU warp before my Firetail melted the Condor....oh, and the fact that a Condor was willing to engage a Firetail that was already in a plex was a pretty big giveaway too.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#219 - 2013-07-01 14:46:42 UTC
I too would like to have the win/loss record of an ace pilot... without actually spending the time necessary to learn the personal skills to become one.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#220 - 2013-07-01 14:47:38 UTC


Wait



How can something that is competitive


be fair?



If competitions were fair


They would constantly be draws

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

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