Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Somewhere, I had the idea that one should introduce a seperate group of viable in-between ships that are "missing" (as mentioned above in the quote). ORE is a good example for the introduction of the Orca; Orca being a real VESSEL.

It is big, it does the job - and though a bit too effective, it is clearly awesome. It requires dedication and it is an impressive teamwork-focused vessel that can do various industrial related tasks. And I like that literally command ship type of vessels. (hello Homeworld:Cataclysm)

Had this idea once, and maybe it is not much of a brainfart after all.
Following that idea, maybe there could be an emphasis on this Vessel Class topic afte rall; As in officially introducing a bracket that is subcap, but (much) larger than BC/BS.

I'd almost say, lets copies of the current industrial ships and having them be much larger with their respective upclassed designs, including a Noctis hull for PI, in there too.

They'd have the size to suffice anything around being dedicated haulers with special bays, PI, etc - Orca could still be boss in terms of T1 hauling etc. And creative minds could come up with a decent Orca <-> Freighter inbetweener, if necessary or desired.

So - We could have combat variants (meaning a different gameplay and style of ships) too, and the industrial ones that could tackle all the problems the current/upcoming T1 Industrials may have.

Toss in an industrial ship contest and voila.

Has to be well thought through though, and as usual, it is likely too early to have such for the game currently how it is.

But to reiterate, I really think there should be a VESSEL-class bracket; seperating from the more agile Frig <-> BS bracket and introducing this "Vessel ruleset" . They could also have shipbonuses that use "unusual skills" - Science Industrial Ship -> /Science Skills, /Industrial skills.

Lots of stuff could be played around with, but that would require a thread. Whatever, just something to think about.

Or it could just be an alternative so that there is that bridge between Orca <-> Freighter.

I think some of you are very blatantly (maybe it's deliberate?) missing the point that there isn't going to be any third "major revision" of these ships despite your insistence that there should be one. As such, you're really wasting a lot of time and burying everyone else's more-realistic suggestions under your wishful thinking.

That being said, people who wish for the Iteron V to lose some cargo space in order to balance Gallente out better and stop some of the people who are saying "Now there literally is no reason to train anything other than Gallente except being an idiot" are forgetting that the Iteron V is mostly stuck at its current cargo space because of the insufferable firestorm of whining and rageposting that would happen if it lost even half a cubic meter of space. I absolutely agree that the Iteron V should have the lowest max cargo of all the "cargo-focused" industrials, but that impending firestorm of whine.. I dunno about having to deal with that. There are better ships, despite what certain others seem to be saying. I know that if the Bestower held as much right now as it's going to, I wouldn't have had any reason to buy an Orca and I may even be able to sell it now.

Give the sigil a second turret mount, make refined gas and ice products fit into the mineral hold, let POS fuel fit into the ammo/charge hold (and maybe, maybe make it a fleet hold) and call the changes done.

No.

Cyno ships, salvage destroyers, Noctii, Orcas, Rorquals, T2 Industrials, mining battleships, who knows what else.

Changing expanders is beyond the scope of T1 Industrial balances and could have a lot of unintended consequences. Most notably is that is would break T2 Industrials before they get there own rebalance.

If they can put separeate bays in Iteron II - IV, they can do it to all of them. Come up with a base line for the general cargo ones, a bit bigger on the resitricted bays, a little small on the fleet hangers. Leave a decent sized expandable cargo if people still want to expand it. I can see the PI hauler being one that you would want expanders to carry command centers, since the PI only bay probably can't carry those. Once you are done dropping command centers, refit to something more suitable to just hauling PI stuff. Or some one hauling ore or minerals to market in those specific haulers, and then fit expanders to so small general bay so they can haul back some modules or ammo they bought.

Also, if they just change the base cargo and expander machanics, it still leaves the restricted bay versions in sort of an odd position. The general versions would still likely be fit for 'max expander' because all people are thinking is packing in a lot of stuff, while the restricted versions get the bonus of haulling a bunch of stuff and fitting WCSs and agility mods, using a 10% to cargo skill bonus to gain volume. You could probably fit out the ore only haulers to be a fast and agile as the Industrials in the 'fast and agile' role, while hauling 2 to 3 times more volume.


I think a separate bay meant for the cargo you are hauling is the cleanest way to get out of the 'max expanded' scheme. It would give value to actually training racial industrial for extra cargo, instead of just training Hull Upgrades II for T2 expanders and picking the ship with the most low slots. It would let people fit the ships for a role and work with the base stats, rather than immediately gimping the speed with expanders and putting a weak shield tank on ships that should fit an armor tank.

I just wanted to come on and say thanks. I appreciate that user feedback has been taken into consideration and I think the changes are an awesome compromise between dev wants and player dreams.

I look forward to seeing these new industrials in use, and the theorycrafting that the new revamps will lead to. Bravo.

Now, Badgers and Iterons need their names changed for these changes to be spot on perfect.

Well seeing as how i just rigged mine so it hold more i will selfishly say. I don't like this.
Especially as this will be the second time that I'll loose good cargo rigs (millions of isk) because of a change.

Just saying.

Good point. Unlike changes to the other ships that generally made them better. For many existing pilots of the Inty V this would be a bit of a nerf.

So maybe my idea is out of scope for 1.1 but I do think eventually it would be something to change. Would you be more open to the idea being implemented with 3 months heads up?

#1 it seems to be generally agreed that these specialized ships would be better off in the ORE line but CCP can't do that right now due to lack of art assets. This in my opinion will likely end up happening in 2-3 expansions.

#2 My personal hope is that the Tech 2 transports get changed into highly specialized craft. For instance the Caldari being a bay for almost everything POS related. And the Cov Ops one being a capital ship "Milk Cow" tender.

Good article! Would you be willing to comment about my idea for the Iteron Mark V earlier and perhaps write what you think could be done with the Tech 2 transports?