EVE General Discussion

Well, since it turns out that what I told you was likely going to happen (and why) was just confirmed to be correct I can certainly understand your being tired of seeing my posts.

Changing the font didnt make people PHYSICALLY SICK.....

It is one thing to say I don't agree with the Devs because I don't like the way xyz looks. That is a personal preference that outside of the screen unless it is hard to read due to my eye sight doesn't impact my gameplay or my PHYSICAL well being.

This animation DOES MAKE ME SICK as well as others......
Please before this thread gets to 75-100 pages understand this.
THIS IS MAKING PEOPLE PHYSICALLY SICK AND UNABLE TO PLAY.

This is not a I don't like the way this looks BUT I can still play it is LITERALLY I CAN NO LONGER PLAY THIS GAME DUE TO HOW I WAS BORN!!!!

One last quick note..... This is not a small percent of the population.....

About 33% of people are susceptible to motion sickness even in mild circumstances such as being on a boat in calm water, although nearly 66% of people are susceptible in more severe conditions. Individuals and animals without a functional vestibular system are immune to motion sickness.

Borden Institute
Benson, AJ (2002). "35". Motion Sickness. In: Medical Aspects of Harsh Environments

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In a study conducted by U.S. Army Research Institute for the Behavioral and Social Sciences in a report published May 1995 titled "Technical Report 1027 - Simulator Sickness in Virtual Environments", out of 742 pilot exposures from 11 military flight simulators, "approximately half of the pilots (334) reported post-effects of some kind: 250 (34%) reported that symptoms dissipated in less than 1 hour, 44 (6%) reported that symptoms lasted longer than 4 hours, and 28 (4%) reported that symptoms lasted longer than 6 hours.

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Simulation sickness, or simulator sickness, is a condition where a person exhibits symptoms similar to motion sickness caused by playing computer/simulation/video games.[

The most common theory for the cause of simulation sickness is that the illusion of motion created by the virtual world, combined with the absence of motion detected by the inner ear, causes the area postrema in the human brain to infer that one is hallucinating and further conclude that the hallucination is due to poison ingestion. The brain responds by inducing nausea and mass vomiting, to clear the supposed toxin. According to this theory, simulation sickness is just another form of motion sickness.

The symptoms are often described as quite similar to that of motion sickness, and can range from headache, drowsiness, nausea, dizziness, vomiting and sweating. Research done at the University of Minnesota had students play Halo for less than an hour, and found that up to 50 percent felt sick afterwards.

Okay, I was with you up until this point.



Does this in any way actually strike you as factual?

Really?

It makes you wonder what the cafeteria was serving for lunch that day, because the rest of the world doesn't seem to have that issue.

Can we keep it constructive and civil? I mean I know you have a fancy white tag and all. But still... humour us by at least pretending to be offering useful input. Thanks.

CCP Sysiphys has already said that CCP will be looking at the issue. Very likely the new animation will be less jarring and a lot more gentle on the eyes/brain. I don't see what there's still to argue about until we see it.

For my part, I'm just going to stay away from the game, chill and wait for the new version. I hope the devs take into account all the helpful stuff that's been said here.

What's to argue about is that they have decided to take their sweet time in order to "optimize" the animation just so they can keep their new shiny.

If this were some minor bug, I would agree, we could all just wait and see how they fix it. But this is a severe issue affecting customers' physical well-being; this type of problem demands immediate attention, not a delayed effort to incrementally work towards improvements. It should not take weeks to put a temporary fix in place while they continue their optimization. But the truth is, they won't do that, because then they would be admitting they did something wrong and had to roll it back. They would be acknowledging that they ignored all the test server feedback they had before this went live. Apparently, CCP's pride is more important to them than their customers' health.

I am actively paying for a game which I can now only play with difficulty, and some things I have to avoid altogether. I am not paying to just sit and wait for it to get better. So I will continue to push for action, until either something changes or my sub runs out.



I'm sure everyone is affected a little differently, but I think it's both. You're being suddenly thrown into a very different visual environment, and then about 6 seconds later, just as suddenly dropped back into a view very similar to the one you just left. It's not nearly enough time for the brain to catch up with what they eyes are seeing, and the extreme differences in the two views make the experience very disorienting.

According to one CSM member here, there are even devs at CCP who suffer from this problem (and at least one who was ridiculed for it; so what do they think of their players with this problem?). If this is true, then combined with all the test server feedback, it really makes you wonder how this ever got past QA and was approved to go live. How did they not anticipate there being an issue when, in addition to customer response, they had problems internally? At the very least, it never should have gone forward without a backup plan in place.

But now that it has, it needs to be addressed. Not in the next expansion, not after the summer, not next month, not even next week. They've had more than three weeks already; three weeks of causing pain and making paying customers physically ill. They've clearly known about the problem for even longer than that, but chose to ignore it. Not having even a temporary fix in place by now is inexcusable.

So this thread is still alive, the master of drama is still up to mischief and even a Dev was kind enough to drop in eventually. Nice!
While there's life, there's hope.

I think we can easily leave it to Siresa Talesi and his personal experience which parts of the animation are causing him issues. Beside obviously existing health issues experienced by several people, this animation simply sucks- it´s choppy and annoying. I would love to see it removed from the game, but that´s just me. Well, probably not just me.

It is a problem, but it is not the only problem, and treating it like it is just ignores the rest of the issue.

Personally, I've experienced mild nausea as a result of this sequence, and yes, the camera swing is definitely a factor in that. However, as I indicated above, there are other factors associated with the animation itself which also contirbute to the feeling of disorientation (visual cues of motion through the tunnel conflicting with the inner ear's sense of motion, no fixed object to focus on, brief duration of drastically different view with motion not allowing the brain time to adjust to what is being seen).

However, for me, the nausea is the lesser of the two issues. The jump sequence being a migraine trigger is by far the more severe and painful consequence. When I get one of these headaches, it literally feels like there is a 1" thick spike driven through the base of my skull on one side, up until the tip rests just behind the eye on the other side. And once it has started, it will persist for several hours (or more), and there is really not much I can do but wait it out. And this is all caused by the animation; the camera swing has nothing to do with it. Migraines can have many causes and triggers, but one common trigger is similar to epilepsy, in that lights flashing at certain frequencies can set them off. For example, I've noticed that often my headaches can by triggered or worsened by certain flourescent lights; the tubes flicker at a frequency largely imperceptible by the eye, but the brain still picks it up, and it can be a huge problem for migraine sufferers. The lights in the jump tunnel animation, as well as the shifting colors and tones of the tunnel clouds themselves, create a similar effect, pulsing at a frequency that apparently I am sensitive to.

So please, try to remember that while the camera swing is an issue, it is not the only part of the jump sequence that is causing problems for players. Just because you may not have a problem with anything but the camera swing, it doesn't mean that the animation is not an issue for others.

I know, right.


I and others have said some twenty pages back that if they showed the animation from the third person perspective and gave you control of the viewing angle, then got rid of that swinging bulllshit - the problem would be solved.

Think of taking the warp drive animation of your ship and plastering it into the jump animation. I don't know if that is possible, but it would really help.

Also, the damn animation is sloppy looking, and half the time it doesn't work - I'm presented with this massive blue/grey cloud blob as if it is trying to present itself from a top/down view. It's quite amusing.