Player Features and Ideas Discussion

How about adding the stacking nerf formula to cargo expanders, then balance the base cargo hold of t1 and t2 industrials around fitting 3 (or 4?) expanders.

This would allow for Amarr transports to have one mid slot and plenty of lows. When fitting you can then choose between tank and agility.

Caldari Ships with a lot of mids and few lows will fit a tank, then choose between agility and cargo hold.

Minmatar & Gallente will be somewhere in between, choosing from a lesser shield tank with a good mix of cargo and agility, or maybe less agility with a bit more tank.

Biggest problem I can see with this idea is it greatly reduces the value of cargo rigs - not sure that's much of a down side though, at the moment 9/10 industrials are 3 x extender rigged and this will add some variation.

I don't even know those special edition industrials, but since you call them "special" ... why not keeping their old stats and making them special in that regard? This way they could become artefacts of the old times, no matter if their fitting will be better or worse than the new ordinary ones.

to actually list the ships

haulers - topic of thread, duh

noctis - usually kitted out with full lows of expanders and either cargo rigs or salvage rigs, may suffer from same perceived problem as expanders may be causing on haulers, that of limited viable fitting options

rorqual - used for logistics (setting up POS etc), beyond that i have nfi. would probably hurt a lot from stacking penalised expanders

salvaging destroyers - stacking penalty wouldn't hurt much considering they don't have many lowslots anyway

t1 probing frigs - used for hauling due to high cargo, also low number of slots anyway, so a stacking penalty wouldn't do much

mining barges - some idiots still fit expanders on these. notable because they received the 'fixed bay' treatment and have more viable fitting options because of it!

orca - also usually fitted with max expanders in the lows, occasionally a dc, pretty much a giant jetcan. freighters are better at this these days vOv

This is awesome i finally have a reason to train something else other then gallente industrial.

\o/ 10+

Good change but for prfessionnal miner we need a better cargo with ore bay, 42000m3 is not enough,

we need to put 2, 3 maybe 4 can for useful industrial ship


actualy if you mine in small grp you have nothing good at small cost for hauling ore

- Retriver have 27500m3 (1can) 40m isk
- Mackinaw have 35000m3 (about 1.4can) 200m isk

-actual industral ship 38000m3(about 1.5can) 15m isk

after we have the big ship
-Orca about 200000m3 (about 7.4 can) 700m isk


we need someting between mack/iteron V and orca, with ore bay 90000m3 to 110000m3 capacity (about 4 can)

actualy i use mackinaw for hauling my ore, only good ship wiht capacity and good not bad shield for low sec


btw: sry for my english

So many Goon tears here. Looks like CCP is going in the right direction! +1 to changes!

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Will someone explain the ratio that he's taking about here for me? I don't quite get its significance.

Really? How much liquid ozone does an ibis hold without cargohold expanders?

Disposable rookie cynos, man.

I love seeing proper use of sarcasm on these forums.

I understand the compression bit, I was unclear on how the unpackaged volume of the ship mattered. I assumed the pilot would fly the ship to the destination, but now I see that they would stick Hoarders -full of ammo- (or whatever) in a jump freighter and make their trip that way. Thanks for answering.

Also, thanks MailDeadDrop for the attempt, but I really can't brain some times.

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