Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Thing with specialised bays is say you have 3 or 4 different loads to take which would require 3 or 4 different specialised bays, you would have to do 3 or 4 trips, I am assuming here that if you have a specialised bay then you can put nothing else in that bay accept for the goods that it specialises in, nor are you able to put those items in a regular bay. because if you are, there is no need to a specialised one right?

There are too many industrials anyway, scrap most of them, and introduce something new. Stop trying to find slightly different roles for the current ships to fit into, just out them.

I wrote some words:

http://thelazypilot.wordpress.com/2013/06/27/much-better/

TL;DR

The cargo for the ORE looks a little small having in mind ore/ice takes lots of space, give it more 10k so: ore=60, PI=55, Minerals=50

Change the names of the Badger Mark II, the Iterons I, II, III and IV. For the Iteron Mark V just called it Iteron.

Drop the ammo bay version and do this:

• ITERON MARK II – Mineral Bay
• ITERON MARK III – Ice Bay
• ITERON MARK IV – Ore and Gas Bay
• HOARDER – PI Commodities Bay

Move the 4 specialized ships to the Interbus creating future options for more ships and who knows t2 versions of them.

The main issue with that is people grow attached to their ships - even if they have not flown them in 5-6 years. Plus the amount of artwork that you are essentially discarding. Plus, the "too many industrials" is really only applicable to one race: Gallente. Minmatar come close only with 3 to the Gallente 5 (not including the special editions which are merely different paint jobs)

Perhaps if you defined "something new" because the specialized holds in these indies are certainly new to them.

I am generally of the opinion that there are too few ship models in the game, but I guess their Art Department has limitations to work around.

Ok, here's a negative: Why can't we have LOW slot modules to give bonuse sto specialzied bay capacity? Or at least RIGs to do so? You introduced specialzied bays year ago, but the module/rig side of things still hasn't caught up with this development.

Those who take hauling will take gallente industrial to level 4. Those skills increase the bay by 10,000 m3.

So yea, its 3 days.

Gotta agree with this. The base is way too overpowered imho. Why not make it 30k m3 base with a 20% bonus per skill level?

Edit: I also must say that I don't like the specialized cargoholds too much. I understand why CCP started introducing them, but I think they break the idea of a cargo bay. I'm okay with ammo and fuel bays, but other than that I really don't like where this is going.

Here's another idea:
1. Do not specialize the cargoholds of the extra haulers, but use the small and big variants as you've proposed them.
2. Make the Gallente haulers huuuuge though (55k on the Iteron V with T2 expanders and T1 rigs) with logical increments between the marks as we have it right now, as Gallente are just the uber-race of haulers
3. Make the Minmatar haulers the fastest (with skill bonus to speed, warpspeed and agility)
4. Give Caldari and Amarr very good tanks (with skill bonus to HP)

Today's update:

We are going to go ahead and bump the unpacked volume on the Hoarder significantly (up to 400000) to avoid any major issues with compression. This gives it the same packed volume to cargo ratio that the Iteron V has currently.

One of the most recent posts mentions increasing the bonus per level from skills for the special bay haulers, and I was thinking the same thing. I'm going to increase the skill bonus per level for all the special bay haulers from 5% per level to 10% per level, and reduce the base bays to give basically the same potential bay size as before. This means you will still get an improvement at level 1 over any normal hauler, but you have to invest SP to make the difference quite as big. This seems especially appropriate since these ships don't have to sacrifice lows to reach the same capacity.

I talked with our story team about renaming and they are going to think about it and get back to me. As I said before, there are problems with both sides so I've just left it in their hands and will report back to you guys as soon as I know more.

As always, thanks for the feedback o/

edit: Also I want to acknowledge all the ideas around converting the special bay haulers to ORE, or any other similar solution. I completely understand where you're coming from but this simply isn't possible. It would either require an enormous investment by our art teams, which we don't feel is worthwhile, or would mean some kind of hacky re-texturing type approach, which we feel is ultimately bad for the game (we have standards okay). This is why we were originally hesitant about giving anything exciting to all 5 Iterons, we knew we didn't like where it would leave us in relation to this stuff. I'm glad that most of you seem to be able to cope with it as it stands though.

Appreciate the updates! Setting the bays on a tier bonus makes sense to keep them less powerful at skill level I than the other hauler's at level IV. Pros and Cons. Do try to ensure that a 'bay' hauler is more powerful at IV than a generic hauler at V though, otherwise what's the point of cross-training? In other words, a bay hauler should be a better solution at one level lower training, across the board, if feasible. Simply to allow viable cross-training opportunities.

Although, I do feel the need to /facepalm at the poster's complaining that race X's tanky hauler isn't as powerful as race Y's tanky hauler. Didn't we JUST finish a thirty+ page thread complaining that not all hauler's had to be identical? It takes 3 days to train into another race's industrial to IV, and they're perfectly viable there. You can unlock a certain hull after 20-40 minutes of training time. They don't all have to be homogenized.

unless you move all those specialized haulers to a non racial faction this is pointless

Interbus or Ore would be ideal in terms of game lore

1 - We understand very well that the Art teams have zero time available and that changing industrial hulls is not worthwhile.

2 - We are willing to compromise with you and CCP that changing hulls will never happen.

3 - We are willing to accept these hulls like they are in other line and just have the NPC symbol changed for now.

4 - We are willing to wait for a new "non-hacky" re-texturing / paint job say 1-2 years from now, when the Art team finds time to come back to them.

Just do it right, give these ships to Interbus, compromise. We accept the art problems and what comes with them. Please just put these ships in the correct and logic place were they belong from now on.