Player Features and Ideas Discussion

How did he get in there?

Posting in thread about ships I never use. Also totally angry about whatever OP said.

I think what the problem in what you point out here is the lack of a general vision regarding roles. Capacity of the ships and their operational range.

A while back the intended long range ACTUAL freight carrying ship was granted space jettison and pickup function. This was because of the lack of purposed ships to compete and perform these functions. The freighter and the Orca swizz army knife issue needs a huge reconsideration.

What you seem to be asking for is that Freighters become actual large capacity and long range. This would be possible by making the JF and Freighter go back to the original roles. A way to do that would be using containers in a way that give a game-mechanical function.

Container should always drop almost all content to space. They should have 25-50% bonus to capacity and be different in types like the bays. The different container types could be held in the matching industrial bays.

Materials not in a container should almost always be lost on destruction. The jettison and pickup would be removed from JF and Freighter again.

Thus denial of loot or reduction in loot drop would be at the cost of capacity, and resulting in "less" interesting soft target regarding industrials. Except ofc for the purpose of disruption and tears.

The DST and the BR should get capacity that match in between T1 industrial and Freighters, and compete with Orca on anything except for ORE/Minerals. Thus making the Orca the equivalent of a wet load freigther, but not the current multi purpose winner.

Also the unscannable feature should go on the DST and not the BR. Its a double boost that we have currently, swap them and both ships would be used. Preferably also a sort of Ship bay function on the DST..

Just a few thoughts.. for the road ahead.

Approved

I do know this is off topic. but any chance you guys are going to get pirate ships in for 1.1?

fingers crossed on guritas loosing the missile bonus and gaining the tracking/optimal range bonus that they domi has.

i want a deviant art player contest for the missing ships

Some good changes here.
Except taking away points from the PWG on some of them is a massive under sight.
Because of one major fitting flaw as it pertains to the T1 Indi class.
Fitting a cloak, and the correct SIZE MWD for this ship class should be a given by default without having to add engineering modules to accomodate this fit.

Not taking power away on an already flawed power grid scheme.
In that this size vessel class should be able to fit a size 10MWD.Not a 1MWD, the physics just don't compute.

Here's why.

Because these things are sitting ducks with appalling allign times you should be able to fit out for stealth to get you off gates quickly and be able to employ the cloak / MWD trick which just see's you on grid for a few seconds as you basically warp off and don't get stuck on grid at gate, alligning for 15sec.

Lets call the Mammoth out here as example since it is one for a grid nurf. 1.We all know it hasn't been given the love it deserved here but anyway, at the moment you can fit out the Mammoth with 1 Improved cloaking device , and 10 MWD if you fit all your low slots with Micro Aux power core 1's instead of T1 cargo expanders.

Sure you sacrifice cargo capacity but you've got yourself a mini blockade runner in that you can be off grid in a second at gate with this fit and stay safe.
But if you nurf the power grid more your going to take away the ability to do this without needing T2 Micro Aux PC which is screwing it over even more, that knocking a second off default align times.

It needs to be a PWG of 100 minimum to employ this not 80.Because the MWD cloak trick won't work with a 1MWD on this ship because its too small for ship size.
So you take away 500 off CPU, almost halving it , wow why so much? But power , come on give it some more like the others , you are turning it into a piece of junk and limiting the fit out even more across more than just the Mammoth here, I don't see why this is a good idea at all?
Add points to all the power grids not just some so they can fit a correct size MWD for the ship class.

CCP Rise, you've done an admirable jobs so far. Really: well done! I don't mean to put stuff on your plate pointlessly, but I think Kekminator could be correct: it may be time to add rigs which enhance specialized bays.

Now I do realize that capital-sized rigs for specialized bays would cause 11-dimensional chaos with balance among carriers and supers. So don't create/seed them. Just create/seed BPOs for small and medium rigs; that would cover the Venture, the Primae, and the T1 haulers. Not having large- or capital-sized rigs postpones (perhaps forever) figuring out exactly what balance chaos would result from mucking around with Orca, Carrier, or Supercarrier specialty bays.

MDD

Interesting changes. I like the drones on the iteron. And the HAM badger. Kinda hoped for an SMA or Corp Hangar on one of the indy's but oh well.

Good changes overall.

@CCP Rise,

I like the changes. Just a question for ya.

With the advent of special bays, are we still going to be able to put them into Carriers/Rorquals/Orcas with those bays filled (esp. Ammo bay, but the others too, would be nice)?