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If Eve goes Nerf, what is left?
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Handsome Hussein
#41 - 2011-11-08 06:27:47 UTC
Trainwreck McGee wrote:
e) i hope someone farts on your pillow before you go to sleep tonight

Source?

Leaves only the fresh scent of pine.
Taedrin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2011-11-08 06:29:00 UTC
Adapt or die, or so we bittervets used to say all of the time.
Embrace My Hate
Bitmap Brothers
#43 - 2011-11-08 06:34:10 UTC
I feel your pain OP. Over the years non consensual PvP has been getting harder and nullsec PvP has turned into shield tanked bc's or nothing. From the region/constellation gate changes to the nano nerf and the introduction of PLEX this game has changed a bunch. Every year this game seems to get simpler and dumber.


That being said, there has never been a better time for us hardcore players. No matter how game rules change or how much you feel like your being alienated you must remember that eve is now full of even more lazy idiots than it was the previous year. This means more scams, ganks, tears and trolls for every "hardcore" player willing to make it happen.
Teamosil
Good Time Family Band Solution
#44 - 2011-11-08 06:55:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Teamosil
Herr Wilkus wrote:
You know what is even easier than ganking a Hulk??
AVOIDING a high-sec gank in a Hulk. Roll (hint, its called a DC II - or simply staying aligned and alert)


That's just something gankers say, it isn't really true. If the gankers just have one sub-bs ganking ship that may be true, but not if they have more than that. For the DC II I mean. Staying aligned is too much hassle for the paltry rewards in hi sec mining. But, regardless, I think we can both agree that we want EvE to be a game where progress requires more and more skill and knowledge, right? We don't want it to become like wow or something where you progress just by showing up. So, shouldn't it be much, much, harder to do end game stuff like market manipulation than it is to do noob stuff like mining in hi sec?

Herr Wilkus wrote:
Also: I've spent many, many long hours in low-sec looking for Hulks. Sadly, I found none. Maybe you know where they are hiding, smart guy?


The whole thing where people complain about how they can't find any pvp because there aren't enough barges in low sec is just idiotic... You guys all want to pvp. There are tons of people who want to pvp. Are you just too scared to fight one another? You are only willing to "pvp" barges? I dunno. That's not an attitude I'm sympathetic with.
Widemouth Deepthroat
Pink Sockers
#45 - 2011-11-08 06:55:48 UTC
Are you sure about being able to kick corp member in space? I remember someone post that a while ago and I know you can't kick member in space still (unless they are logged off).

If the change is happening, that it is a nice boost for botters....get 1 awox kill then booted from corp...
Berendas
Ascendant Operations
#46 - 2011-11-08 07:19:10 UTC
Embrace My Hate wrote:
That being said, there has never been a better time for us hardcore players. No matter how game rules change or how much you feel like your being alienated you must remember that eve is now full of even more lazy idiots than it was the previous year. This means more scams, ganks, tears and trolls for every "hardcore" player willing to make it happen.



Everyone knows the EVE maxim 'Don't fly what you can't afford to lose.' My old corpmate had a second Golden Rule that has persisted in the years since then; "Never underestimate stupid." Twisted


I'm not saying EVE should be easier, it diminishes what made EVE great in years gone by... But it does have a few perks to the older players.
Hirana Yoshida
Behavioral Affront
#47 - 2011-11-08 07:43:17 UTC
Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't the whole lets-hold-hands crap started, propagated and maintained by the null pvp'ers as a way to maximize income?

Null has for the most part been a deep blue sea for going on five bloody years due to the carebearishness inherent in the human animal .. it has gotten so bad that high-sec is considered by some to be more dangerous than high yield null

About time the high-sec wanna-be "PvP'ers" (whose real world version are like Rohypnol street muggers) are taken down a notch. If you want to garner sympathy for your cause then either move to where PvP is not akin to babyseal clubbing or learn to live with risks/costs that will e closer to the proper level based on reward.

In Short: PvP + High-sec does not compute. Since you think so you fail at Eve and need to go where there are no repercussions to killing noobs (bet WoW is highly recommended by your RL friends!!!!11)

Even Shorter: "lol" cry baby ..|..
Dalloway Jones
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2011-11-08 08:01:30 UTC
Maybe if you all would actually fight each other in low sec and null sec you wouldn't have so much spare time to gank noobs and carebears in high sec.
Richard Aiel
The Merchants of War
#49 - 2011-11-08 08:21:16 UTC
World of Tanks

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Fille Balle
Ballbreakers R us
#50 - 2011-11-08 10:03:31 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
Zircon Dasher wrote:
If CCP had more growth because of catering to bears than by catering to gank...err...."hardcore PVP" crowds then it seems like the right thing to do.

Did you expect them to lose money for you?

It is a business. It is not a charity.


Right, and thats fine. If thats the direction they want to take eve in, thats their right. However, i expect to be informed of this.

They are telling us every day how hostile eve is, how ts not safe anywhere... They even have videos on youtube where developers say infront of the camera they wont be nerfing eve down like this... BUT THEY ARE.

CCP needs to decide which way they're going and tell us. Otherwise they're just misleading us to keep our subscriptions while they change over to a new player base, and that is extremely offensive


Nah, they don't want to inform you. They want you to keep paying your sub monies until the very end. I know it sounds ruthless, but then again, they did design this "ruthless" universe I keep hearing about.

On a side note, if you don't like it, you could always move on. I know there is at least one more sand box game out there. It's not a spaceship game, but it is sci-fi. That's something right?

Stop the spamming, not the scamming!
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#51 - 2011-11-08 10:24:52 UTC
I never hear word called "balance" onle buff or nerf . UghUgh

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
EvEa Deva
Doomheim
#52 - 2011-11-08 10:30:16 UTC
Its payback from all them ibis the HARDCORE have killed
pussnheels
Viziam
#53 - 2011-11-08 10:39:47 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
Insurance is gone for gankers. Cant wardec highsec corps anymore. Pirates can be booted from corp before they kill their target leaving them to deal with concord,
Even the expansions lately have almost entirely focused on the Carebears... Planetary Interaction, Incursions, Epic Arcs, etc. The only thing pvp'ers got was Sov changes, which was seriously in need of love anyways (and still is)


inssurance what s on sis doesn't mean it will be on TQ, besides it will only change the priority targets of the profesional ganker
Who says you can't declare war anymore , where was this posted, If a alliance or corp has balls they will fight
pirate booting out of a corp , if the pirate / griefer is stupid enough to act before he has any roles assigned , takes 24 hours to evict someone with roles out of a corp
State of nulsec well isn't that their own fault mostly
PI watch the procesion of haulers and transport going into low sec every day to pick up their PI stuff, bit probably takes to much work for you to catch them right
Incursions really now is it that hard to interdict their operations
Nah you are wrong mate

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Long John Silver
Doomheim
#54 - 2011-11-08 10:50:01 UTC
You guys are totally missing the point re: one of the best features of EVE: There is a place for carebearing (Hisec) and a place for PvP (null and lowsec - ie: with and without sov 'n stuff).

You get in your ship and fly to the place of your choice.

It works for me, and I'm OK with the fact that there are large parts of the universe that I've never been to, and other player living out there that I've never crossed lasers with.

**Long John Silver **| Pirate Alt and Forum Troll.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#55 - 2011-11-08 11:48:01 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
Honestly, eve is the only game in the market that provides a truly brutal, ruthless environment. Why is CCP willing to give this niche up, just to have access to the PvE kids who dont want any risk at all? Those kids will get bored and move on to one of the hundreds of games that cater to their style.

There is not a single game on the market that provides what eve does. This is why eve has had such a hardcore / cult following. It has catered to a specific play style that demanded absolute freedom and lawlessness. And now that is being taken away, bit by bit.

With all the nerfs to PvP'res lately, eve's hostile environment is rapidly turning into a friendly hugs-n-kisses type of game. It might not ever reach the point where it looks like WOW, but the current trend is absolute proof that CCP is siding with the PvE camp.

Insurance is gone for gankers. Cant wardec highsec corps anymore. Pirates can be booted from corp before they kill their target leaving them to deal with concord,
Even the expansions lately have almost entirely focused on the Carebears... Planetary Interaction, Incursions, Epic Arcs, etc. The only thing pvp'ers got was Sov changes, which was seriously in need of love anyways (and still is)

I think this is absolute evidence that CCP is siding with the carebears, and screwing the hardcore PvP crowd that allowed eve to progress as far as it has. Nearly every change has benefited the bears, and screwed the PvP people over. CCP thinks they can throw us a few battlecruisers to keep us quiet while they gimp eve down into WOW-In-Space.

I've seen videos of CCP employees talking about them never gimping eve down, but from all these patch changes, it seems they're saying what we want to hear as they walk away from us


The tier-3 BCs and the destroyer buffs are both huge ganking buffs.

The Miners who are trololololing about "ganker tears" will pretty soon be crying again themselves when they realise that a couple of gank-fit thrashers/catalysts will still kill their exhumers at a hull cost that's too cheap to bother caring about insuring.

The tier-3 BCs might as well have been designed for ganking. The Tornado gives the same alpha as a Mael, and it'll cost less than 50 mill. That's not actually a great deal more than the net insured cost of a Maelstrom hull now.

Additionally, removing insurance for CONCORDable offences also opens the gateway to changing how CONCORD operates.

Finally, read my hi-sec manifesto for a new vision on how hi-sec could be structured to accomodate high end PvP play.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Black Oblivion
iNcreased
#56 - 2011-11-08 11:59:36 UTC
I myself don't fly super carriers or even carriers - but stil i think that the super carrier nerf is way out of line.

If CCP decides to dig the grave for eve pvp etc. etc. they will fail at EVE.

Funny tho, that CCP would let this happen, cause they will loose ISK in the long run due to degrading the game and thereby loosing players / payers.

// Black
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2011-11-08 12:07:10 UTC
All Ive seen is a balancing between styles of pvp. The only thing actually made tougher is suicide ganking, and about time, the risk of suicide ganking should be to BOTH aggressor and agressee, whichever side fails, loses.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Jenshae Chiroptera
#58 - 2011-11-08 12:22:45 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
Honestly, eve is the only game in the market that provides a truly brutal, ruthless environment. ...


Try www.mortalonline.com/ often people are forced to fight nekkid because they have lost their armour after being killed multiple times. Can kill anyone pretty much anywhere and it has a lot of frequent PVP.

The great thing about EVE is that it is so big. You can have the "carebears kissing and hugging" in high sec, while you can have different degrees of PVP in null sec, low sec and worm holes.

I am glad that they are making cap ships more challenging to pilot and griefing more difficult, it should help the game's bottom line in the long run.

CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids

Not even once

EVE is becoming shallow and puerile; it will satisfy neither the veteran nor the "WoW" type crowd in the transition.
Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
#59 - 2011-11-08 12:24:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Dirk Magnum
If I were a cap pilot I'd be more worried about the fact that a 100-man Tornado welp fleet could alpha me before I could even align. Forget the supercarrier drone nerf, because cap ships and battleships are all about to become irrelevant in large fleet fights. Tornado is now THE ship to use if you can field the numbers like a large alliance. I just want to lodge this complaint now, and will pick it up and run with it further as proves necessary after the Tornado gets added to TQ.

                      "LIVE FAST DIE." - traditional Minmatar ethos [citation needed]
Tore Vest
#60 - 2011-11-08 12:30:49 UTC
Adapt or die.....
A lot of players have to adapt now these days....
How many dies ?

No troll.