Player Features and Ideas Discussion

CCP Rise, please swap "UNDER RENOVATION" in OP with "SOON™".

Awesome! Thanks for the update!! I know you're hard at work on them. Kudos to you and your team!

can fit "micro jump drive" to Badger I and the other low-meta Haulers would fill the niche of passing carebaer bubbled gates faster....

and the hictors could use a MJD 2... not trolling.

while doing this please add the 2nd highslot to the sisters of the prowler... its time for my covert cynobait occator...

Sounds like he read people with similar ideas to mine \o/

Happy, it sounds way better than the previous changes.

Still, I hoped for a big cleanup and a transfer of some industrials to ORE. Some industrials will still be too similar between races, and should be 2 instead of 8. This would alleviate the concern of racial imbalance too. Of course, it needs some art job. Could give a specific role to each race and the generic cargo and tanking roles to ore. Or maybe give the specific role to ORE since they're really close to what bigger ore ships offer (ore bay, ship hangar, corp hangar, that kind of things) ? And differenciate more the racial industrials by giving them different ways to tank (armor quantity or resist bonus / shield quantity or resist bonus). Potentially having gallente and minmatar being faster, but amarr and caldari tankier, even in the tanky/agility category to add more differences?



It's not a problem of choices. It's a problem of "modules goes offline when you pass gates and you have to turn them online again". And if you have to, you're active. If you're active, you're already protected against most suicide gankers. A damage control is mostly useless. If you are afk you can't use it, and if you are active you don't need it.

Have you heard of the Noctis? I hear it has something to do with the ORE Industrial skill.....but I'm not sure......

I agree it's unlikely. I wasn't saying that afk hauling should be buffed. My point was that it's useless to have tank if you're active, and tank modules aren't usable when afk, and so are mostly useless in both cases. If I'm active, I want agility more than tank, and if I'm inactive, I want passive tanking.

I also believe you should always be able to do the calculus about "how much am I worth and how much is needed to suicide gank me" as a way to afk haul. Autopilot is there for a reason, and it should not be only a trap button.



Agreed. Industrial ships with special roles should be ORE. Especially since those roles are associated to ORE flavor wise (ore bay, corp hangar, etc). This would make expanding the brand easier too (there is a ton of roles you could fill with new ORE industrials! For example, I'd like to have a mobile refinery :D).

You could keep basic roles to factions (cargo and tank/agility ones), with a few racial quirks (armor tanking for amarr/gallente, shield for minmatar/caldari, more speed on gallente/minmatar, more tank on amarr/caldari, that kind of things).

Indy ships balancing aside I wonder if those "industry changes down the pipe" will be concentrated on fixing currently existing problems/derps or maybe they will also be along the lines "ossum, that makes me want to get into industry!".

This. Mostly.

Caldari, biggest general cargo bay (nice symmetry wtih the Charon).
Amarr, biggest tank on the high-cargo hauler.
Minm, a bit faster than the other high-cargo haulers.
Gallente, smallest general cargo bay, but most flexible ship range.

I'd like to see a smoother and more modular way to move from small haulers to a freighter. I've thought for a long time that using a strategic-cruiser like subsystem arrangement for indys would be neat: you can buy more storage, more tank, or more GTFO, but you can't have it all.

There are too many hauler models in the game right now, and not enough differentiation to use a lower-capacity one in favor of a high capacity one. (A Wreathe vs a Hoarder, for example.) I'm flying an indy to carry stuff around, therefore I generally want to carry as much stuff around as I can. If I have special considerations when moving my stuff -- I need lots of GTFO (blockade runner), lots of tank (deep space transport), or lots of cargo -- then I have to specialize into different ships or T2 variants.

It would be more logical for each race to have a single T1 hauler (and maybe a T2 variant) that could be altered via modules to provide significantly upgraded functionality. Rigs already do this to some extent, but I'm thinking of something more along the lines of the Strategic Cruiser modules, something that would provide dramatic performance/capacity upgrades that could be non-destructively swapped out depending on the requirement.

Alternatively, I think it would be better to introduce ORE haulers that specialize in hauling ore and minerals. Give them a substantial capacity boost over standard industrials (say 100,000 m3) but with the restriction that they can only carry ore or minerals and nothing else. The problem specific to mining is that there's a big gap between a high end industrial or Orca and a freighter. Training all the way into a freighter often isn't a good move for a miner, but at the same time even a maxed Iteron V can't carry enough cargo if you need to move a lot of ore or minerals to market. (That's one of the downsides of the recent barge changes; a Mackinaw can now carry more raw ore in its hold than a maxed industrial can.)

I'm still hoping for a fixed large "Freight Bay" that will not work with Cargo Expanders and Cargo Rigs on these ships, even at the cost of a large number of slots and fitting space.

It bypasses the older design (and really the live ships) where the 'best fit' is shield and cargo extenders.