Player Features and Ideas Discussion

i dont know if its an improvement or someone suggested it already, but what about these special purpose bays coming to play in every ship like:

bay for items-for restocking in low sec maybe? or building components, or just a ship which one can carry small frigates into lowsec? - make lowsec more habitable for newbies?

bay for ore- i know i know, we got the ubernice ore bay on the mining ships, BUT hear me just out, what about a hauler with ore hold? like a special minimini orca without the boosts for very small mining corps? it would be nice i think

and the last one- this is a trickie one, what about a specialized ore hold just for the refined ore? whats the difference between ore and refined ore you may ask... well... i dont know, maybe because if you salvage parts, you get more from one ore then the other, and you want to sell it elsewhere?

as the iteron 1-2-3-4-5 question... its ok if the gallenteans have more ind. ships... its just the race i think, their society
i think itwould be nicer to have different ships and give ppl the motivation to X train

amarr- armor tanked
gallente - the choice
caldari- shield tank
minmatar- duct tape i mean speed

i dont have any problem with races being substantially different, i like that

The void is huge.. but lets put some numbers on it, sorted by "Amount it can Haul".

T1 Industrials

T1 Industrial, averages roughly 30 to 39,000 m3 (most people fit them for Max cargo unless for some odd specialty reason). Price, roughly 5 million isk (ship hull, rigs, expanders, some defense).

T2 Industrials

T2 Industrial (the Deep Space Transport), Averages roughly 29 to 35,000 m3 (they fit a little less than a T1, but not much less. Stronger tank (if fitted well). Price, roughly 160 MILLION isk (ship hull, rigs, expanders, some defense).

The Orca

Orca, Averages roughly 90,000 to 110,000 m3 (if fit for max Hauling, which is generally considered silly and suicidal). This is utilizing its Cargo Hold and its Fleet Hold. Can also haul ships (extra bonus). Price, roughly 750 MILLION isk (ship hull, rigs, expanders, some defense)

The Rorqual

Rorqual, Averages roughly 120,000m3 of cargohold (though would have no tank). CANNOT use jump gates, has jump drives, relegated to being utilized in lowsec/nullsec/wormholes. Can store ships inside. Price, Roughly 2.5 Billion isk. (ship hull only).

Jump Freighter

Jump Freighter, 280 to 350,000m3. Massive, Slow, has the ability to Jump into Systems, bypassing lots of stargates. Price.. 6.5 to 7 BILLION isk. (the ship hull). Addition to the substantial skill train to get into it.

Freighter

Freighter, 750 to 900,000m3, massive slow, has no jump drive, aligns horridly. Generally used for highsec, as it would go boom in low/null. Price. 1.5 BILLION isk. (Ship cost only as there is no modules, but people utilize implants to help it out.


So if just looking at the T1 industrial and the T2 industrial ships, almost no one will think that the Deep Space Transport is on par, or better, than a T1. I could lose 10 T1 ships, and not even get to 1/2 of the price of losing 1 Deep Space Transport. Is there any real benefit to using a DST vs a T1 ship... virtually none (some would argue that the DST is more gank resistant than the T1, and that a person can use the MWD Cloak warp ability of the DST to get around, but that does not balance out on either the price difference, or the M3 issue).


Lets put it in Cost order now for clarification.

T1 industrial, virtually no skill, cost fitted, bout 5 million

T2 industrial, modest training to fly, can haul less than a T1 industrial, cost if fitted. 160 million

Orca, Modest training to fly, can haul about 3 to 4 T1 industrials worth of stuff, cost if fitted, 750 million

Freighter, Moderate training, can haul the most, cost, 1.5 billion isk.

Rorqual, large Training cost, restrictions on what it can hold ship wise, can't use gates, cost, 2.5 billion isk.

Jump Freighter, Long train time, can haul double of what the Orca can, Cost is fitted, 7.5 billion.

So the T1 is 5 million, the next ship that can haul more than the T1 costs 750 Million, and the DST hauls less than the t1, is the closest ship to the T1, but costs 30 Times the price of it.

Hopefully that clarifies the "Big Hole" that is there for industrial ships.

Actually, even CCP trailers use the faster warp-in and -out times, for example in the dominion trailer. It indeed looks much cooler than the current mechanic we have in eve client.

Maybe bonus some of the ships to deal with attacks abit more.

1 could fit a siege module so if it gets attacks it turtles and waits for friends to turn up and help but it can't move the whole time it's protected.

1 could fit warfare links or just bonus any escorts as well as having some tank itself.

1 could destroy everything it's carrying on exploding (saw this mentiioned earlier)

That's just my 2 cents.

Similar issues already exist when jumping systems and undocking, and the solution is invulnerability until you take an action or some seconds have passed. I don't see why the same couldn't be applied when dropping out of warp.

How about teleporters that move cargo without any risk at all?


Oh, wait, EVE is supposed to be hard, never mind.

How about this for a wild idea :p

Interbus use the gallente shuttle and gallente catalyst skins on models in the game already.

You have been saying for god knows how many years you would eventually add Interbus stations so that the current Interbus agents would be useful for something and ofcourse this would add the all Important Interbus "storyline" agents for faction standing.

So you take the 3 Iterons that don't really fit with the new rebalancing you throw an Interbus skin on them (Which as T'amber/Cerbus has shown us isn't all that difficult. ) and make them require Interbus industrial skill.

Add them to the new Interbus LP store and voila you can make them as specialised as you want.

get Falcon to write up some nice RP fluff similar to when Interbus took over the customs offices and voila new Industrials that are cool and different.

Obviously this is probably more work than a point release, but hey it could be good for the next expansion :P

BUT HIS MAMMOTH WAS TANKED!!! HOW COME HIS TANKED INDY CAN BE GANKED BY A SINGLE TORNADO?


--- That the guy you mean? I loved that rant.

Really that would just be a penalty to the Gallente and to a lesser extent the Minmatar. To be honest I'd rather not be relegated to 5 mediocre industrial ships, all of which failing to compete directly with competitors just because a few now even more lackluster in-between's.

At least for T1 since the Iteron Mark V requires WAY more training it should be better - I'm fine with it being worse or the same if it takes level 4 training to drive. Likewise, I see very little reason to train any T2 for normal use. There is ONE worthwhile cloak T2 hauler... all the rest are crap. Deep space is 100% junk.

None of these can tank, have speed, or any other value. They just have medium sized cargo holds. 40km3 isn't enough to hold anything fitted out. If It can't haul one fitted battleship with some ammo around they're all pretty worthless. Which means you either own a freighter or you fly every ship you own to every place you need to go. This wastes a ton of time and makes the whole game suck in general.

None of these really have tanks. Even the most expensive ones... 1.2 bil worth of dead meat or more. There isn't even a way to fit one, but if there were all of these would be better -- at least you'd have more of a chance.

Want better?

1) More speed. They don't fit armor or guns. In real life these would be faster ships than say a battleship.

2) Agility is an issue.

3) If any of these could hold 100-200kmk3 they'd be useful past the "I'm a newbie with a ton of brick-a-brack" phase.


Removing the high slot turret on the indies screws all industrial characters who are often given missions to mine small amounts or kill some small threat. Just being able to put a gun there, a tractor, or a mining laser makes everything easier.