EVE New Citizens Q&A

OK, I'm a new character in the middle of doing Sisters of Eve missions in my first destroyer, with enough ISK to... well to replace it a few times anyway. Or enough ISK to buy quite a few Ventures.

Being at the phase where a million is still a lot, I need a way to get my income up enough to do the fun stuff I want to do. I'd like to do stuff in wormhole space eventually as an explorer, or join a wormhole corp or something. But I'm not remotely at the point where I can laugh off losing a fully outfitted Helios.

But I'm not really stoked to go "carebear" in high sec until I'm financially independent either. And I want to get comfy with the scanning lifestyle.

I heard something about solo Venture pilots sneaking into wormhole space for gas mining being reasonably hard to catch. Sounds risky, and a lot more interesting than mining Veldspar in hi-sec. I've got a few of the Astrometrical skills in training. Don't know off the top of my head how involved the skills or equipment behind gas-mining are.

Anyway, is this something I could actually get into fairly soon and build a profit from?

Or would I be better off ninja-salvaging in hi-sec?

Suppose I'll give it a try then once I've finished up the Sisters of Eve thing. Now just need to study up on gas mining...

Thanks.

the others already touched upon some good points:

the trick is to understand that there are somethings you do because they are more fun than min/maxing your wallet journal.
if you are not the sort that develops a nervous twitch at the idea of opportunity cost, there are literally endless ways to spend your time in this game :)

ninja gas mining sounds like one of the more productive fun ones.

Yeah, I was kind of wondering about the sleepers.

It seems like they're on a timer or something. You trigger the timer after you enter... and then they show up in a certain amount of time. And the number and difficulty depends on the class of wormhole system I guess.

The question I guess I'd have is whether I can just fill a Venture ore hull before they show up (and before a hostile wormhole corp shows up) and leave and make a profit. Or whether I have to trigger the site first, then show up in a ratting ship, then show up in my Venture.

And do I need to bother with the jet can method, or is the Venture hull plenty big enough to make a profit without involving yet another ship?

I figure the more ships I have to use on a ladar site, the better my chances are of being ganked by other players in WH space. So I'd kind of prefer to just scan stuff down in my probing ship, bookmark it, and then get in and out with my Venture. Or better yet - just scan ladars down with my Venture and make it all a one-ship operation (I've seen some fits I'd like to try over on Eve University's wiki). Also, if I pack a few Hornet drones, can I just deal with the sleepers myself?

I'd like to go one-ship on this - especially if I ninja some high grade ore out of null sec. I doubt the Goons or Test, or whoever out there is going to give me second chances to raid their turf if they can help it. But of course, that's only if it's practical to do it with one ship.

Yes the sleepers spawn approximately 20 minutes after the site is warped to for the first time but is not set in stone. As the above guy said there are some sites that have Sentry drones at the site always. But these can be easily avoided in favor of a less certain death. Beware there are a few nasty WH denizens who like to trigger all the sleepers in other gas sites and leave them there to catch people like us. Never ever warp to a gas site at zero.

You can do this with just a venture easy and make money without combat ships, or jet cans I use.

[Venture, gas mule]

Damage Control II

Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Medium Shield Extender I
Limited 1MN Microwarpdrive I

Gas Cloud Harvester I
Gas Cloud Harvester I
Core Probe Launcher I

Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
[Empty Rig slot]

Once you are in the wormhole you can leave the invuln field and damage control running at all times as the venture has a pretty substantial cap recharge rate. No don't bother carrying drones as you have no chance at all of killing the sleepers spawns with 2 drones. Harvest the most valuable gas cloud(these will not be on your overview by default unless you have an everything tab) until the sleepers or other baddies come around then GTFO it may take 2 gas sites to fill a hold this way but that can be 15-20 mil or a lot more in higher level WHs. Be paranoid watch d-scan like a hawk and you will be uncatchable 9 times out of 10.

This could easily turn into to a full out guide so EvE mail me or something and I'd be happy to answer any other questions.

You can try both. The Venture is a nice ship. However, I know of one Venture pilot trying to ninja a gas cloud in our WH last week that died rather sadly to a Stealth Bomber. You can't run from what you can't see.

So it is possible, but I would only do it on gas clouds that have have high value gas. WH are dangerous places that are jealously guarded.