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What ship category would be good for lowsec?

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Cos Deninard
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-06-21 20:13:11 UTC
Category meaning things like Battlecruisers, Cruisers, etc.

I would think Battlecruisers with a PVP fitting would do good, but any suggestions?
Ned Taggart
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-06-21 20:24:58 UTC
Cos Deninard wrote:
Category meaning things like Battlecruisers, Cruisers, etc.

I would think Battlecruisers with a PVP fitting would do good, but any suggestions?


It really depends on what you want to do. Figure that out, then find what hull gives you bonuses to said activity.
Nikolai Lachance
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-06-21 20:27:00 UTC
It really depends on what kind of PvP you're looking for and if it's just PvP or other activities you're trying to partake in. Also, how much ISK do you want to risk? Trying to solo PvP in a battleship in lowsec is probably not the best idea in most cases, but you can be successful and have fun in any size hull if you do it right.
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-06-21 20:36:26 UTC
It also depends on what type of low sec. If you're in faction war zones then a frig/AF or dessi will be optimal but otherwise I would suggest a cruiser. If you plan on gate camping or playing station games then you might want a slightly bigger tank. If you're running with a gang then consider what role you'll be playing and choose a ship to fit it.

You could go on battle clinic and look at what has been dieing in your area of operation and to what. Then figure out a ship/fit/tactics to deal with the most common gang in your particular stomping grounds.
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-06-21 20:54:22 UTC
From what I can tell frigates and destroyers are pointless in solo pvp. Everyone else is flying cruisers or more so probadly crusier are you best bet.

Assuming you have the money to waste cruisers.
Ovv Topik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-06-21 21:04:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Ovv Topik
Paul Otichoda wrote:
From what I can tell frigates and destroyers are pointless in solo pvp. Everyone else is flying cruisers or more so probadly crusier are you best bet.

Assuming you have the money to waste cruisers.

I don't know where you heard that mate, but you couldnt be more wrong!

OP: Start with Frigates. Training up all the skills needed to PVP anywhere near optimally will take a while, so take it one step at a time.

Even with one factions frig trained to 5, you will have hundreds of variations to try out.

You're first step is to get a clean jump clone from 'Estel Ardor', grab an Atron, tank it, stab it (Warp core Stabilizers) and head off into low!

See how long you last. Learn to use Dscan. And learn to get your pod away safely if you lose your ship.

Treat every loss as a valuable lesson in how to avoid it next time.

"Nicknack, I'm in a shoe in space, on my computer, in my house, with a cup of coffee, in't that something." - Fly Safe PopPaddi. o7

Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-06-21 21:20:17 UTC
OK. I just checked your character age. Forget the meta game for now. It will be too much to handle before you know what is what.
You want to use T1 frigs. Take them to faction war space where you will find other newbies in T1 frigs. Expect to lose 20 or so before you even start to get a handle on things.

Better yet, find a corp that will take you on roams. It is the fastest way to learn & there is a lot to learn.
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-06-21 21:21:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Otichoda
Ovv Topik wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
From what I can tell frigates and destroyers are pointless in solo pvp. Everyone else is flying cruisers or more so probadly crusier are you best bet.

Assuming you have the money to waste cruisers.

I don't know where you heard that mate, but you couldnt be more wrong!


then how do you explain how the cruiser was able to destroy my merlin frigate in low sec in only a few shots without me ever being able to fire off a shot?
DJ JazzyJeff
Menace 2 Sobriety
#9 - 2013-06-21 21:27:47 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Ovv Topik wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
From what I can tell frigates and destroyers are pointless in solo pvp. Everyone else is flying cruisers or more so probadly crusier are you best bet.

Assuming you have the money to waste cruisers.

I don't know where you heard that mate, but you couldnt be more wrong!


then how do you explain how the cruiser was able to destroy my merlin frigate in a few shots without me ever being able to fire off a shot?


Why are you trying to 1v1 a cruiser in your merlin? I'm definitely not saying its impossible. I mean I've seen someone take down a nago in a tier1 frigate. But if you're trying to 1v1 you should be going after other frigates or join a gang of frigates to take down bigger targets.
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-06-21 21:29:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Paul Otichoda
DJ JazzyJeff wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Ovv Topik wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
From what I can tell frigates and destroyers are pointless in solo pvp. Everyone else is flying cruisers or more so probadly crusier are you best bet.

Assuming you have the money to waste cruisers.

I don't know where you heard that mate, but you couldnt be more wrong!


then how do you explain how the cruiser was able to destroy my merlin frigate in a few shots without me ever being able to fire off a shot?


Why are you trying to 1v1 a cruiser in your merlin? I'm definitely not saying its impossible. I mean I've seen someone take down a nago in a tier1 frigate. But if you're trying to 1v1 you should be going after other frigates or join a gang of frigates to take down bigger targets.


I wasn't I was poking around trying to find anything when it jumped me. Why even waste the missiles.

And no I'm not in a player corp or anything.
Ovv Topik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-06-21 21:33:40 UTC
Because I wasn't suggesting that a frigate would beat a cruiser.

I was refuting your implication the the op should head straight into Cruisers because Frigs and Desi's are irrelevant.

"Nicknack, I'm in a shoe in space, on my computer, in my house, with a cup of coffee, in't that something." - Fly Safe PopPaddi. o7

Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#12 - 2013-06-21 21:33:42 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
DJ JazzyJeff wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Ovv Topik wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
From what I can tell frigates and destroyers are pointless in solo pvp. Everyone else is flying cruisers or more so probadly crusier are you best bet.

Assuming you have the money to waste cruisers.

I don't know where you heard that mate, but you couldnt be more wrong!


then how do you explain how the cruiser was able to destroy my merlin frigate in a few shots without me ever being able to fire off a shot?


Why are you trying to 1v1 a cruiser in your merlin? I'm definitely not saying its impossible. I mean I've seen someone take down a nago in a tier1 frigate. But if you're trying to 1v1 you should be going after other frigates or join a gang of frigates to take down bigger targets.


I wasn't I was poking around trying to find anything when it jumped me. Why even waste the missiles.

so wait, you failed at scouting, got ambushed and you are surprised that you got killed?

I should buy an Ishtar.

Ovv Topik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-06-21 21:37:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Ovv Topik
Paul Otichoda wrote:


I wasn't I was poking around trying to find anything when it jumped me. Why even waste the missiles.

And no I'm not in a player corp or anything.


Well good for you for poking around! Seriously.

Next time you go to low, you will live that bit longer. Gradually you will start to become more aware of your surroundings and before long you will be able to survive quite comfortably.

The point is you learned from that loss. And you'll learn more from the next one!

But we're hijacking the OP's thread now, so...

"Nicknack, I'm in a shoe in space, on my computer, in my house, with a cup of coffee, in't that something." - Fly Safe PopPaddi. o7

Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-06-21 21:43:46 UTC
He jumped you because he could. If you were in a cruiser he would have jumped you anyway & because of your level of PvP experience he would've stomped you anyway.

That is why you should be using cheap frigs until you figure things out. There is just too much that goes into an engagement to really understand what to do until you've done it 50 or so times, even in a gang.

You WILL make mistakes. You WILL get your sh¡t pushed in. It WILL happen over and over and over. Then one day all the pieces will fall into place. Then move up a ship class or change your fit and tactics and the cycle starts all over again.

Every time you lose it is a valuable lesson that you get to take into your next engagement. The more of these "lessons" you learn the better you will get.
Mildew Wolf
#15 - 2013-06-21 21:46:44 UTC
t1 frigs are a fine place to start. you will learn a lot of the same lessons (by losing ships) whether you are in a 3 mil or 300 mil isk ship. bigger is not necessarily better esp as a new player
Ovv Topik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-06-21 21:51:22 UTC
Mildew Wolf wrote:
bigger is not necessarily better esp as a new player


Looking at your avatar, I concur!

"Nicknack, I'm in a shoe in space, on my computer, in my house, with a cup of coffee, in't that something." - Fly Safe PopPaddi. o7

Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#17 - 2013-06-22 00:13:51 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Ovv Topik wrote:
Paul Otichoda wrote:
From what I can tell frigates and destroyers are pointless in solo pvp. Everyone else is flying cruisers or more so probadly crusier are you best bet.

Assuming you have the money to waste cruisers.

I don't know where you heard that mate, but you couldnt be more wrong!


then how do you explain how the cruiser was able to destroy my merlin frigate in low sec in only a few shots without me ever being able to fire off a shot?


Watch the last video he put up. Not only does he take on cruisers and survive but scores a solo kill versus a destroyer in a frigate with no rigs.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=231465&find=unread
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#18 - 2013-06-22 10:44:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Lost Greybeard
In high sec you want the ship that can do what you're doing with the least effort, since it's not like you're likely to lose the ship.

In low sec you want the SMALLEST and CHEAPEST ship that can do what you're doing, because the whole point of low is to get into fights, so you'll probably be replacing it reasonably frequently.

Generally this translates to "cruiser or below", seeing even a battlecruiser in low means you're having an interesting day.

(As always, you don't HAVE to follow this, it's more advice than an actual rule.)

EDIT: While a cruiser can kill any frigate DPS-heavy enough to fire back meaningfully pretty fast most of the time, a frigate is much more able to escape from a cruiser than the other way around. The one that's probably a bad plan for solo is the destroyer, since it's too slow to escape the things that automatically kill it (cruisers). Albeit, Destro will make you feel badass when you run into frigates, and they're cheap enough, so meh.
Rasputin Crendraven
In Praise of Bacchus
#19 - 2013-06-23 17:30:40 UTC
Go with a T1 frigate, for now. If you're planning on hanging around these areas, you need to make bookmarks. Things like safe spots and tactical bookmarks for checking( a couple hundred kilometers) gates. A frigate works best for this and is cheap to lose. Once you get the hang of things, you can move up to cruisers.

Keep local as a separate window, keep D-scan open at all times and spam it religiously to keep from getting jumped. Most importantly, keep going there and learn from your losses. Check the in-game map for ship and pod losses, as well as dotlan. Just some tips off the top of my head.