Live Events Discussion

They had this problem in Luminaire as well. You couldn't be sure who was on which side so if you weren't shooting the capitols, you were basically forced to just shoot people at random.

What would be interesting is if CCP could dynamically change the sec status of a system. If they could, then whenever there is an event that leads to a battle, they just drop the system to lowsec for the duration and say that CONCORD is normally outfitted to take on isolated incidents , so they can't properly respond to a large battle.

In the mean time, flagging everyone in system accomplishes the same thing.

I don't see how claiming CONCORD has been overwhelmed by a fleet battle is shaky at all.
At the very least, it's no less shaky than saying CONCORD is flagging everyone in system and taking the hands off approach.

We already know it's not RP reasons in the way. The problem is you don't have that much in the way of a dev toolkit that can be used to run things like this, and it takes dev time to program a more robust toolset; time which is being spent on other stuff that's a much higher priority.
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Now any explanation for why this was a flash mob event despite the fact you've been dropping hints for a week thereby screwing a number of players who had been waiting for it, but didn't happen to be logged in that particular second? You've already stated that, with people going on vacation, it's hard to do too many live events, so please don't make it harder by causing us to miss the few events you do run.

I'm doubly disappointed since I live in w-space, so I can't casually fly out to take part in an event (I missed the incident between SuuVee and the dragonaurs over the supply shipment because the holes just weren't lining up right), so when I hear of something going down and make sure I am in a position to be able to join, I am disappointed when I sacrifice a week's worth of income for no payoff.

Again, I have no issue with events that just pop up suddenly, like the first relief shipment to Caldari Prime, but if you are going to spend a few news posts on hints, make them actually pay off to the people paying attention rather than just the ones lucky enough to be online and in-system.


On a side note, how often do you check the faction contact mailboxes? I sent a evemail the day before the fight in Haatomo and have yet to recieve a response.

Caligan just wants Jita below .5 status. ;)

That said, RP-wise: hostage situation. The Navy announces when it'll go in. The Provists then are prepared, and break out more ships, kill hostages, etc. Or they're handwaved into unpreparedness, even when Kim, Horn, or some other pro-CPD RPer goes, "Heth! Heth! They're coming for you at 1800hrs on 115/06/18!"

Either someone will then naturally ask, "Why did the navy announce its operation?" or someone will ask, "Why did the Provists ignore any and all warning?"

That said, it probably would've been better to suspect-flag all capitals to allow both sides a chance, even if the TD/CPD forces were the only outlaws. :x But, eh. What's done is done.

Isn't that pretty much what happened. Live Events Twitter came up, then events happened shortly afterwards?

Flagging everyone as suspect has other bad effects in that it completely messes with Logi pilots due to the way the flags propagate & constantly renew on the logi, meaning that it weights heavily in favour of DPS pilots just after shiny killboards rather than people RP'ing and trying to be serious. So there is no ideal tool that solves all issues. A 'Fleet' sized limited engagement tool could work. As it would allow sides to engage each other without weird suspect flags popping up for repping the lawful navy of the area. But thats about the 'best' tool I can envisage, and even that has it's own issues.

Actually, they worked pretty badly and I had a number of people contact me to complain that, and ask why the Federation Navy were flagged in their own space.

There are arguments both ways, and there are pros and cons to both ways of doing things.

The most sensible thing to do is to go with what makes the most sense in terms of backstory as a compromise, because regardless of how we decide to flag, there'll always be complaints from at least one group involved.

See that's exactly why I suggested temporarily turning off CONCORD with the in-universe justification that they were overwhelmed. the DED is supposed to maintain law and order, and have hundreds of systems to patrol, most of the time they don't have to deal with more than one or two capsuleers who need concorded, so I can't see how they'd be able to handle hundreds in a system shooting everyone during live events. They've also shown a historical ineptitude at actually keeping the peace (and in fact can be bribed to war including the fact that despite their original function being to maintain peace between the empires, they officially sanctioned wars between THEM with the establishment of their militias.

Too easy.

I would need some real good argumentation to accept that two way flagging works badly. As I see it, it only benefits risk adverse players* and making the outcome of the fight predetermined.




*: Despicable Care Bears

Well, you know what they say: you can please some of the people all the time, or all the people some of the time, but you can't please all the people all the time. ;)

If it really boils down to a lore vs. mechanics argument (I.e. it's against lore to be flagged in your own system, but that's currently the most expedient way to allow full participation) then I'd argue in favor of mechanics for now until another tool can be found accomplishes the goal. You can always finagle a lore reason: "Inside contact", "[Faction] did not have the correct beacons," [Illicit faction] baited with with a can filled with a single unit of trit," "Ill-timed coffee spill in the server room." It's not ideal, but it would be a stopgap until better mechanics can be put in place to support the event.

But please, please do not railroad the events. The whole purpose of these is to make it feel like we are interacting with and changing the NPC world around us, something we don't often get to do.