EVE New Citizens Q&A

Hence the rule:

Dont fly what you cant afford to loose.

If you couldnt afford to loose that cruiser. You shouldnt have taken it into lowsec. Specially when you didnt use the correct precautions (you did use your D-scan etc I hope) and you were expecting people to play nice (which people never do in EVE anywhere). Low-sec isnt as bad....if you do use the mechanics at hand to keep you safe(ish).


But with your mindset. I'm not expecting you will end up playing for a very long time as you will find out that high sec is not safe either at one point.

This is the 'noob' forum. People like me are noobs. We dont know what the 'proper precautions' are, and generally, the advice we get from vets is 'do some research'. This thread is a classic example of missed points. The vets who 'haven't lost a ship in losec in ages' aren't flying Tristans, I'll wager.

The best advice for a noob about losec IMO is 'don't go there - skill up, build up ISK, build up your experience and practice in hisec first. Then fit a replica of your best ship, park it on a hisec station and only then venture forth into losec. But if you're posting in the new citizens forum, just don't go to losec'.

Well, 11m will buy you 5-10 frigates with meta 3-4 fittings easily.

I'm not having a go at you, but you aren't paying much attention. I'm not the one who's lost anything (that's another poster-I've only lost 1 shuttle in losec, and I'm nt whining about that at all, fair kill no complaints). I'm also not saying anything is impossible. I'm just pointing out that when you've got 10mil and no clue about the deep complexity of Eve, 'get a cloak' and 'buy in bulk' is useless commentary in a noob forum.

I have recieved some advice in the ships and modules forum which was v helpful, I do agree that often vets are v helpful. The HelpMyMission channel in game has also been extremely useful and there are some great people using it.

I do think however that when vets say 'do some research before you go into losec', what they mean is 'wait till you're a few months trained/rich'.

If someone could suggest a Tristan fit that would cost less thsn 20mil and 600k SP which will give me a fighting chance in losec, though, I'll be game for giving it a shot! :D

They do not, unfortunately.


To the OP: I'm a bit irritated that you had post after post giving you advice to take a cheap frigate into lowsec and you completely ignored it and took a cruiser instead. Rolling around as a noob in a cruiser does not make you look tough. It just makes you into a bigger target when, like you (and me too, still) do not have the PvP chops to properly fly a cruiser, solo, in that environment. I can fly a cruiser like a pro for running missions, but players don't follow an AI script, now, do they? So don't take expensive ships into a PvP zone until you know what you're doing.

Also there are lots of corporations which advertise "new player friendly" and which will train you to navigate low sec without getting asploded every ten seconds and even to PvP a little if you want. All you have to do is look around.

It was not only towards you but also towards the other guy.


He was whining about his loss and you are wrong that you need to be months old to survive in low-sec.


As for your Tristan fit. It will be hard cause of the ROLE the tristan has as a exploration ship.

There are plenty of other Gallente ships that can be fitted to stand a chance in PvP if you pick the right fights. All well beyound 20mil (or even below 10mil) and can be flown by new players.

The tristan being the exploration frigate it means you have to run from most fights and thus have to watchy your D-scan like a hawk.

Bigger isn't better.
More expensive isn't better
More SP doesn't make you invincible.

The players that PvP know the weaknesses and strengths of their ships. And act accordingly.

You win by using tactics and common knowledge. Both you will NEVER gain by sitting in high-sec for months.

Although I can understand that Low-Sec and Null-Sec appear scary, both from being the "unknown" and by stories heard from other people, and due to the fact you just lost a cruiser, it shouldn't discourage you. Eve is a harsh place and sometimes the learning curve can be very frightening, but if you stop now and stay in high sec, you will be missing out both on content and opportunities to learn something new.
I agree that it might have been a bit unlucky to just encourage you to go out and roam the wilds without giving a bit of advice, but please understand where most people come from. Many of us had to search for the information needed ourselves and while most of us are happy to share at least some insight, we often take it for granted that people sit down and research the topic they asked information about. You could have taken that it is not wise to go out there in a cruised if you can barely afford a new one, some other facts you might have learned while being blown to pieces.
I'll try and give you some advice, it will not be all you need, but maybe it can help you go out there the next time:

If you venture out into lowsec, take a cheap ship you can easily replace, naturally the best option will be a frig, or even a shuttle.
Some gates can be camped, especially high traffic routes, and the faster you get through those bottlenecks, the better. You can look up potential dangerous places by opening the star map and filter for "Jumps in last hour" "Ships killed" Pod Kills" and other obvious indicators that ships get blown up there. Next step which does not hurt and can save yourself and your ship later on is setting bookmarks. Jump from Gate to Gate or Planet/Installation/whatever and set bookmarks while traveling. This will be your safe spots later on. While not being foolproof, these spots can buy you a little extra time while those pesky pirates search for you. Make a few and repeat that for the systems you are planing to visit. Again, this can be easily done in a shuttle without risking anything. Also, check your D-Scan. Often. Like, really often. You can filter for specific things by using the same settings as your overview. Set up an overview Tab to only ships and Scan Probes for example. This will filter out all the stuff that wouldn't hurt you anyway and you can see on a quick glance if something or someone is coming for you. Again, this will not protect you from everything, but will buy you those extra seconds you need to escape. It is not a shame to run from people in the beginning and escaping while being hunt by severall people can be feeling like a win too. Once you feel comfortable with your surroundings and your ship you can start picking fights and hunt on your own.

Of course this is just some basic stuff and there is lots more. Like previous posters said, picking a newbie friendly corp that is located in low sec can be a great start and roaming in packs makes it easier to learn stuff and also provides some added sense of security.

What this "we" nonsense? I know people who just started playing and they're doing fine. As far as advice, what did you expect everyone to do open your head and pour in knowledge?

Awesome, that's exactly what I'm looking for!

Losec fun, here I come! :D

Thanks...was at work at time of posting. So couldn't look it up...though it was the probing one.