These forums have been archived and are now read-only.

The new forums are live and can be found at https://forums.eveonline.com/

Player Features and Ideas Discussion

 
  • Topic is locked indefinitely.
 

Idea for 6 industrials per race (3 sizes)
Author
Previous Topic Next Topic
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-06-20 01:42:05 UTC
I would really like to see a frigate-sized hauler that can haul maybe 2000-3000m3 of cargo at maximum, but would be slightly tanky (in proportion to its size of course) and would have not only a very fast align time but would also have a high max velocity. When fitted with a 1MN MWD, it should be able to go around 1500-2000m/s.

Howabout 3 size classes of industrial, 6 total industrials per race?

FRIGATE INDUSTRIALS
* fast-aligning hauler with high structure HP, low sig radius, around 15-20MW powergrid, and around 5000-6000 max cargo
* fast-aligning, fast-moving tanky type with low sig radius, around 30-40MW powergrid, and around 2000-2500 max cargo

CRUISER INDUSTRIALS
* medium hauler with high structure HP, around 70-90MW powergrid, and around 20,000-25,000 max cargo
- * AMARR: fitting service hauler with bonus to cap transfer, fitting service, and a 15,000m3 module bay
- * CALDARI: refueling ship with bonus to cap transfer and a 25,000m3 fuel bay that can carry POS fuel blocks and all refined ice components
- * GALLENTE: ore hauler with 40,000m3 ore and tritanium bay
- * MINMATAR: ship carrier with 250,000m3 ship maintenance bay

BATTLESHIP INDUSTRIALS
* max space hauler with high structure HP, around 200-300MW powergrid, and around 100,000-125,000 max cargo
* defense/combat hauler with almost full battleship HP and slots, racial defense skill bonus, around 4000-5000MW powergrid, 5-6 high slots with turrets/launchers (fits medium weapons), drone bay/bandwidth (with a lot of extra drone room), and 20,000-25,000 max cargo

Also, I'll support the hoarder over the mammoth if we can swap our already-rigged mammoths' rigs to a hoarder. The names will still seem a bit out of balance.
And I wanna see the hoarder's arms worked on. I'm picturing a water strider or a whip scorpion. Come on, lets make it grab stuff!!

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
HiddenPorpoise
Jarlhettur's Drop
United Federation of Conifers
#2 - 2013-06-20 02:06:31 UTC
Quote:
MINMATAR: ship carrier with 250,000m3 ship maintenance bay
Why is a cruiser size ship able to fit 8-12 assembled frigs or a battlecruiser?

An ore bay of 40k would actually make it worse for ore than a current idy V.

I really think you didn't think most of the numbers or ideas out.
Solutio Letum
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-06-20 02:09:51 UTC
You do realize that in the real world, Frigates, cruisers Battleships are combat ships right? you know.... pewpew
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-06-20 02:16:17 UTC
HiddenPorpoise wrote:
Quote:
MINMATAR: ship carrier with 250,000m3 ship maintenance bay
Why is a cruiser size ship able to fit 8-12 assembled frigs or a battlecruiser?
I don't know, external attachments, expanded structure skeleton? I'm sure the engineers working on the ship design can figure something out.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2013-06-20 02:16:43 UTC
Solutio Letum wrote:
You do realize that in the real world, Frigates, cruisers Battleships are combat ships right? you know.... pewpew
in EVE, they are size classes

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Lucius Saturninus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-06-20 04:02:19 UTC
How about Pirate and or Navy faction Industrial's?
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-06-20 04:12:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
Maybe ORE should get several categories of industrials, with multiple ships in each class.

And I'd like to see empire corp industrials become a bit more unique and also not entirely limited. Or maybe there could still be mere decorative limited versions, but also non-decorative non-limited versions which are tech 1 level but simply unique in attributes.

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Gorgoth24
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-06-20 06:24:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Gorgoth24
While I like your idea as far as different sized industrials go, I feel your numbers are incredibly off.

All variants should be slow compared to their combat counterparts and be balanced at max cargo capacity with T2 cargohold expanders and T1 rigs.

Frigs should be 1-2km3 max
(primarily for PI and small components) but NOT be tanky enough to survive a smartbombing BS

Cruisers should stay around current, under 40km3 max

BS should be able to carry one bs + fittings which would put it just over 50km3. This wouldn't be a huge cargohold increase over the cruisers, but would be the only non-capital ship with the ability to lug a packaged bs around

All ships should be slow, align slow, and be flimsy.

That's my two cents:)

EDIT: As for being able to fit off ships, ships designed for ore bays, etc. would all be horrendously abused or encroach on the roles of current ships and I don't think they're a good idea
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-06-20 08:05:58 UTC
Gorgoth24 wrote:
All variants should...be balanced at max cargo capacity with T2 cargohold expanders and T1 rigs.

Frigs should be 1-2km3 max
That's what I meant when I said max cargo. Also, if cruiser industrials can go up to 30k m3, why can't frigate industrials go past 5k m3?

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Ix Method
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-06-20 09:48:46 UTC
Not really sure what most of these offer given the current changes posted.

We need a half decent way of moving assembled ships around empire and perhaps something 'BS Sized' between a Iteron and a Freighter might have a use but... yeah, i guess that about covers it. For all your ideas of special bays and that there's nothing here really that wouldn't be covered by the new T1s or the upcoming (presumably fairly straightforward) T2 specialisations.

Apart from some sort of weird cargo hauling fat Tengu. That's just bad P

Travelling at the speed of love.
El 1974
Green Visstick High
#11 - 2013-06-20 10:04:28 UTC
A t1 scanfrig like the probe can already carry 1.261 m3 with t1 rigs and t2 expanders. The magnate (4 lowslots) can even carry 1.608. A specialised ship should be able to carry significantly more.
El 1974
Green Visstick High
#12 - 2013-06-20 10:18:32 UTC
Gorgoth24 wrote:
BS should be able to carry one bs + fittings which would put it just over 50km3. This wouldn't be a huge cargohold increase over the cruisers, but would be the only non-capital ship with the ability to lug a packaged bs around
A ship that can carry one bs + fittings is useless since you can just fly the battleship instead.
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#13 - 2013-06-20 10:48:00 UTC
El 1974 wrote:
A t1 scanfrig like the probe can already carry 1,261 m3 with t1 rigs and t2 expanders. The magnate (4 lowslots) can even carry 1,608. A specialised ship should be able to carry significantly more.


Fixed those numbers for you

[b]Fast Character Switching "XP Stylee" Undocking - More Routes Out of Station[/b] Here's my tear jar > |_| < Fill 'er up!
Reaver Glitterstim
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-06-21 03:40:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Reaver Glitterstim
Maximus Aerelius wrote:
El 1974 wrote:
A t1 scanfrig like the probe can already carry 1,261 m3 with t1 rigs and t2 expanders. The magnate (4 lowslots) can even carry 1,608. A specialised ship should be able to carry significantly more.


Fixed those numbers for you
Are you certain your way is not wrong, and El 1974's is not right?

FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."

Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
Gorgoth24
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-06-21 03:54:46 UTC
@ El, I hadn't realized that. 5km3 seems far more reasonable.

Flying the BS instead isn't an option for the alts of Outlaw PvP'ers, which is why it'd be more useful then actually flying the ship.