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omg, sorry 3 post

Maybe before you look for the idiot in the other, should pay attention to yourself?

Of all the post, you could see was a small remark about Kronos, lol.

It was about 4 ships, which are practically not used. And Kronos, but not the worst of them.

Remarque, especially for you, for a "smart", Kronos, has a range of a neutron blaster, ~ 17km with antimatter. Vargur & Paladin 35 km. Oh, and if it's Marauder, then only PVE? LOL.

Fanats of the Amarr and Matar, just amused by how little timid chicken, afraid of any emerging competition.

Another idea:

Every hybrid platform gets +30% to all overload bonuses (role bonus, like ceptors' scram/web cap bonus). That gives a bit more speed, damage, web/scram range, and rep amount for 1 or 2 minutes, at the risk of burning out your mods. It would benefit Gallente the most, but Caldari wouldn't be left out.

Yes, it involves a big change to the hulls, but I think everyone pretty much agrees that that's necessary. Of course, it would also boost ac damage if you chose to put them on a hybrid ship, but since it would be easier to get into blaster range there'd be more incentive to fit hybrids over projectiles.

Here are my propositions to fix problems with blasters, and slow armor tanked ships.

1. Change armor tanking system, so plates, and armor rigs nerfs something else than mass of the ships (speed and agility) maybe signature radius nerf, same as with shield tank ?

OR rebuild blaster ships to be shield tanked (give them more med slots, take some low slots, and fix their bonuses).

2. Increase range of the blasters, while nerfing their dmg a bit in the same time.

3. Give gallente ammo that do different types of dmg, not just kin / th.

Ok, I realized maybe I was too harsh. I'm sorry. I just wanted to say that in pvp, the Kronos, with its active tank the same problem. That of Brutix, Eos, Asterate, he comes close, and loses his cap. But God bless him, he was not too bad.

Brutix, Eos, Asterate - that's who, all horrible.

Well, I think that blasters haven’t damage handicaps, but players suffer with them because minmatar ships are faster and have a better distance to fire, or because they need cap use and in short ranges many times they use neutralizers, ore vampires.
But now the Tornado bc will be another problem, yesterday I read that they have change new bc t3 bonus now caldari, and gallente bc t3 are worst, amarr t3 bc have other bonus, it is better doing dps but have les range so it ll be easier to shot it, but they have change tornado 7.5% falloff bonus to 10% , so it ll have more than 60 km of falloff with ACs and it is the faster of the 3 bcs with only 1 mwd it ll be able to have 1700 m/s with a really good capacitor (probably it ll need only to use one slot to be stable with the mwd active “no using boosters”) So blaster ships (bs, bc, cruisers) can´t do nothing.

To see more info about new bc t3 bonus see this page:

http://forum.eveuniversity.org/viewtopic.php?t=48897&p=430661

I hope that the reason is that it is in testing phase, because I think that a tornados plague (as actually drake plagues) would be the end for many blaster ships, no matter how much better blasters ll be with this balance.
I think that it is ironic that in one hand ccp is trying to improve blasters, and one reason is because ACs are more over because minmatar ships have more range and speed and blasters have many difficulties, and in the other hand they are doing an AC ship that can’t be killed by many ships because it is easier to fit, is really fast (to catch it only mwd frigates can approach) and can fire at 70 km with ACs.
The only way to destroy a tornado is a surprise attack or using long range weapons, (pulsars probably not include)

T3 bc are supposed to be as BS but with the handicap of HP , but if the 80% of all ships can’t hit you, it isn´t a handicap.
I could understand this, if it was a slow bc, but it is at the same time the faster bc and probably the easier to fit.

This is a question for ccp: It is this ship a measure to increase the use of rails?
If you have the intention to incite players to use more rails because artillery has remove beams and rails of battles, and ships as rokh aren´t use.

You must know that no matter you improve their damage or their fittings they won´t be used, because rails are sniper guns and with combat proves if you are at 200km firing they ll probe you and warp to your ship to put their Blasters, ACs, or pulses in your ass. (as you can see now I have more information about snipers problems ^ ^ )
And as result nobody wants to be over 150 km so artillery that is worst that beams and rails at long distances is more used because it is more powerful at shot ranges that beams and much more that rails, and can chouse damage.

And if the tornado is a measure to use more rokhs in battles or other rails ships, you have to know that it is wrong.
The only ships that would be more used are artillery ships.

Ccp members, if you are really interested to see more rails ships in battles you have only 3 solutions:

1st: put a new bs and bc ,or bigger combat ships module who prevent that your ship can be probed, (if only bs and bc can use it, raiders can´t have any problem to assault industrial ships, cruisers, or escort ships used in low sec, and at the same time ships that don´t use sniper range weapons , won´t use it because they would use one slot that has no sense if you are near your enemy.)
Doing this, warp range can be the same, and snipers will have more sense , (only if everyone in sniper squads use this module xD ) but it is only an organization problem.
( I think that´s the better solution.)

2nd increase minimum warp distance to 200km at least.

3rd Change rails and beams concept as artillery (alpha strike)

If you aren´t convince with this options, it would be better to abandon the idea of stimulate rails use, it will be a waste of time for you, because artillery will be always better at 100 km that beams, and beams always better that rails.

I think the greater imperative here is understanding the weapons, ships, and game mechanics involved here before we come up with ideas that are dead-on-arrival.



No, it does not make sense. First of all, the Brutix is a tier1 bc and the hurrican tier2. We may not like the tier system as it stands, but we cannot assume it's going to be gone just because we want it to go. Tier2 battlecruisers are going to anhillate t1 in almost every case except well-skilled cyclones with proper implants/pill.

Furthermore, on the case that rails are't the "REAL problem." I'm trying EVER SO HARD to be civil here, but this is absolute nonsense. Nobody with the first clue about med/large rails and their pvp applications thinks that the rail niche exists. It just doesn't. The weapon system as it stands is worse off than blasters and i've already mentioned why that is. Their range is much too long to utilize and when it can be utilized it is one on-grid warp from disaster. Coupled with the fact their dps is enemic and their tracking is abyssmal inside their giant range bubble and you have a failed weapon.

Making every rail ship insanely fast (able to out-run their class equivalents in minmatar while armor tanking? You're taking pre-nano-nerf speed) would do nothing but distort ship balance overall. You wouldn't be able to solo since you'd be well out of point range. You wouldn't be able to operate in logi range of a standard gang. Rail ships would still be a joke and fitting blasters (assuming they too get reasonable buffs) to them would probably be overpowered since they'd be easily capable of catching anything with their immense speed.

The solution I'm proposing, mitigating rail range and adding a reasonable amount of dps, allows rails to have a viable niche. They could apply high-tracking effective dps at moderate range (relative to other long-range weapons, so don't compare to AC's or Pulses) and their drawbacks (cap and kin/therm only dmg) would be less of an issue because they'd provide more effective dps than projectiles and track better than beams.

Hull and Ammo solutions should also come into the mix IMO, but none of that fine-tuning can be done when you can't settle on a general niche for the weapon system and the ships themselves. Ultra-long-range no longer works and it hasn't worked for quite a long time. Shorter range and better tracking/dps at that moderate range is really the only solution.



What is to prevent minmatar ships, with higher base speed/agi from fitting hybrids then? Again I think the Brutix v Cane analog is silly, but i've been over that. Once more, I have to say, you're trying to treat symptoms rather than look at the disease itself.

It is a discussion worth having, but there are such things as bad proposals and we'd do well to consider more than just 'how can I beat a CANE?!' when we are talking about the overall problems with hybrids. There are deep-rooted problems with both blasters and espcially rails. If we cannot address those points, we're not going to lend them any feedback worth having.



I guess you pvp in honourable 1v1 situations then. A few light ecm drones will perma-jam any marauder and one ECCM module will not help you prevent that.

It's not I said:) That said CCP Tallest. But, let them do it even better, is it going bad?

Sorry, duplicate :(