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Dorion Strag
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#421 - 2013-06-17 19:11:41 UTC
Gonna go with a yes. It's always bothered me a bit that the command ships for each race used the same model.
Melek D'Ivri
Illuminated Overwatch Group
#422 - 2013-06-17 22:37:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Melek D'Ivri
CCP Fozzie wrote:
This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.

I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.

It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.

That would (potentially) mean:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

    • This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.

    So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?


    What I think is that I would MUCH prefer to see a 3rd battlecruiser hull introduced based on the alternate tech 1 hull, and that this new (3rd) Tech 2 Battlecruiser would do something new.

    The most "Logical" choice would be something built around the cloaking, scanning, pointing trio since these are the "missing" offering in Tech 2 BCs. Cloaking and scanning could be a role bonus to the hulls or integrated into each model, using something along the lines of what I've got below.

    Myrmidon by Roden Shipyards with bonus to cloaking, scan probing, and warp disruption range, HM/HAM weapon platform
    http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Lachesis

    Harbinger by Khanid with bonus to cloaking, scan probing, and heavy neuting bonus, HAM focused weapon platform
    http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Curse

    Hurricane by Core Complexion with bonus to scan probing, cloaking, webbing, and target painting, Projectile weapon platform
    http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rapier

    Drake by Kaalakiota with bonus to scan probing, cloaking, and jamming, HM focused weapon platform
    http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rook

    The ships would still be tough, but they would drop tank and dps for speed and silence and revolve more around niche PVP usage like their Recon counterparts.

    Consider it?
    */edit**edit* Plus you could call them something cool like Trackers or Hunters, or even Stalkers! I like Trackers myself though!
    Lloyd Roses
    Artificial Memories
    #423 - 2013-06-18 01:15:13 UTC
    Melek D'Ivri wrote:
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.

    I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.

    It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.

    That would (potentially) mean:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

    • This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.

    So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?


    What I think is that I would MUCH prefer to see a 3rd battlecruiser hull introduced based on the alternate tech 1 hull, and that this new (3rd) Tech 2 Battlecruiser would do something new.

    The most "Logical" choice would be something built around the cloaking, scanning, pointing trio since these are the "missing" offering in Tech 2 BCs. Cloaking and scanning could be a role bonus to the hulls or integrated into each model, using something along the lines of what I've got below.

    Myrmidon by Roden Shipyards with bonus to cloaking, scan probing, and warp disruption range, HM/HAM weapon platform
    http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Lachesis

    Harbinger by Khanid with bonus to cloaking, scan probing, and heavy neuting bonus, HAM focused weapon platform
    http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Curse

    Hurricane by Core Complexion with bonus to scan probing, cloaking, webbing, and target painting, Projectile weapon platform
    http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rapier

    Drake by Kaalakiota with bonus to scan probing, cloaking, and jamming, HM focused weapon platform
    http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rook

    The ships would still be tough, but they would drop tank and dps for speed and silence and revolve more around niche PVP usage like their Recon counterparts.

    Consider it?
    */edit**edit* Plus you could call them something cool like Trackers or Hunters, or even Stalkers! I like Trackers myself though!


    They are called T3s, or strategic cruisers.
    CCP Fozzie
    C C P
    C C P Alliance
    #424 - 2013-06-18 01:27:13 UTC
    Melek D'Ivri wrote:
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.

    I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.

    It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.

    That would (potentially) mean:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

    • This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.

    So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?


    What I think is that I would MUCH prefer to see a 3rd battlecruiser hull introduced based on the alternate tech 1 hull, and that this new (3rd) Tech 2 Battlecruiser would do something new.

    The most "Logical" choice would be something built around the cloaking, scanning, pointing trio since these are the "missing" offering in Tech 2 BCs. Cloaking and scanning could be a role bonus to the hulls or integrated into each model, using something along the lines of what I've got below.

    Myrmidon by Roden Shipyards with bonus to cloaking, scan probing, and warp disruption range, HM/HAM weapon platform
    http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Lachesis

    Harbinger by Khanid with bonus to cloaking, scan probing, and heavy neuting bonus, HAM focused weapon platform
    http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Curse

    Hurricane by Core Complexion with bonus to scan probing, cloaking, webbing, and target painting, Projectile weapon platform
    http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rapier

    Drake by Kaalakiota with bonus to scan probing, cloaking, and jamming, HM focused weapon platform
    http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Rook

    The ships would still be tough, but they would drop tank and dps for speed and silence and revolve more around niche PVP usage like their Recon counterparts.

    Consider it?
    */edit**edit* Plus you could call them something cool like Trackers or Hunters, or even Stalkers! I like Trackers myself though!


    Maybe someday, but that has nothing to do with this thread since these ideas are nowhere near the same timescale.

    Game Designer | Team Five-0

    Twitter: @CCP_Fozzie
    Twitch chat: ccp_fozzie
    Hosedna
    FumbleFamily Corp
    #425 - 2013-06-18 07:13:33 UTC
    Would love having a tech 2 myrm ! This is my favorite ship design, and I would really love having more options to fly it :) For the rest of the racial hulls ... I don't really care :p
    Chi'Nane T'Kal
    Interminatus
    #426 - 2013-06-18 07:57:24 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull


    • Any news on this awesome idea?
    0racle
    Galactic Rangers
    #427 - 2013-06-18 08:02:53 UTC  |  Edited by: 0racle
    Dorion Strag wrote:
    Gonna go with a yes. It's always bothered me a bit that the command ships for each race used the same model.


    Assault ships. Interceptors. Recon ships. You're changing quite a few rules in the process in regards to consistency. Change one you have to change the lot, and the Sleipnir and Absolution in particular have always been iconic in their roles. No to the change, personally. Some ship classes can take doubling up.
    Warde Guildencrantz
    Caldari Provisions
    Caldari State
    #428 - 2013-06-18 10:59:45 UTC
    Chi'Nane T'Kal wrote:
    CCP Fozzie wrote:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull


    • Any news on this awesome idea?



    nighthawk having drake hull will make me sooooooooooo mad. black and red ferox hull is AMAZING. seriously. Every missile jockey agrees the ferox looks sexy, but it doesnt use missiles. Then they see the nighthawk and are like WANT IT NAO

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    Shova'k
    The Bank Of Jita
    #429 - 2013-06-18 12:25:08 UTC
    as an avid and nearly maxed out command ship pilot for all of the command ships I like the hull swap idea.

    (also make the nighthawk more usefull) am sorta used to the sleipnir as a cyclone but i love the cane model as well :P
    Marcel Devereux
    Aideron Robotics
    Aideron Robotics.
    #430 - 2013-06-18 14:17:42 UTC
    Field command ships should be changed to the Attack BC's. For the Fleet Command ships, flip a coin.
    Krell Kroenen
    The Devil's Shadow
    #431 - 2013-06-18 15:03:37 UTC
    Just thought I would throw in my support to changing the Command ship hulls around. A T2 Myrm would be nice to see.
    DeLindsay
    Galaxies Fall
    #432 - 2013-06-18 23:01:04 UTC
    Marcel Devereux wrote:
    Field command ships should be changed to the Attack BC's. For the Fleet Command ships, flip a coin.

    There is no more Fleet/Field once Tiericide hits CS's.

    The Operative: "There are a lot of innocent people being killed in the air right now".

    Capt. Malcolm Reynolds: "You have no idea how true that is".
    Jerick Ludhowe
    Internet Tuff Guys
    #433 - 2013-06-18 23:35:19 UTC
    Marcel Devereux wrote:
    Field command ships should be changed to the Attack BC's. For the Fleet Command ships, flip a coin.


    Just what we need, 8 large gun t2 bcs with t2 resistances and double damage bonuses.... If you put anything other than large guns on these hulls people are going to cry so yeah....

    Seriously guys... Suggestions, think before you post them.
    Melek D'Ivri
    Illuminated Overwatch Group
    #434 - 2013-06-19 01:00:12 UTC
    Shova'k wrote:
    as an avid and nearly maxed out command ship pilot for all of the command ships I like the hull swap idea.

    (also make the nighthawk more usefull) am sorta used to the sleipnir as a cyclone but i love the cane model as well :P

    You're killing me bro! Get behind my "new tech 2 bc" idear instead! haha
    Alvatore DiMarco
    Capricious Endeavours Ltd
    #435 - 2013-06-19 01:05:40 UTC
    Melek D'Ivri wrote:
    Shova'k wrote:
    as an avid and nearly maxed out command ship pilot for all of the command ships I like the hull swap idea.

    (also make the nighthawk more usefull) am sorta used to the sleipnir as a cyclone but i love the cane model as well :P

    You're killing me bro! Get behind my "new tech 2 bc" idear instead! haha


    Fozzie already put the knife in its heart, so nothing to get behind here. Besides, your idea is better served by having its own thread rather than derailing this one.
    Melek D'Ivri
    Illuminated Overwatch Group
    #436 - 2013-06-22 15:56:36 UTC
    Fozzie already put the knife in its heart, so nothing to get behind here. Besides, your idea is better served by having its own thread rather than derailing this one.[/quote]

    I have but it's mixed with Battleship and Destroyer classes also. On top of it it's a large work in progress and very barebones at the moment.

    I just really don't want to lose my sexy Damnation I'm currently sitting in and trade it in for a worthless piece of garbage that looks bad too. (at least for what I do in EVE, it's a good ship otherwise).

    *Trollable moment* If I wanted to derail something I'd go find a Hybrid guns rebalancing thread Pirate
    DrysonBennington
    Eagle's Talon's
    #437 - 2013-06-22 16:34:34 UTC
    I like what CCP did with the Nemesis. The redesign set it apart from the rest of the Tristan Class of Frigates.

    I think that all T2 variants should be redesigned in the same manner as the Nemesis.

    After all T2's are better variants than their T1 counter-parts so why should such a distinction merely be seen as the same hull with a different painting scheme applied?
    Roseline Penshar
    Native Freshfood
    Minmatar Republic
    #438 - 2013-06-22 16:44:56 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.

    I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.

    It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.

    That would (potentially) mean:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

    • This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.

    So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?


    it would be wonderful, they have different bonus and role that makes a sense they have different hull too
    Tiber Ibis
    The Paratwa Ka
    #439 - 2013-06-22 18:21:10 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.

    I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.

    It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.

    That would (potentially) mean:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

    • This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.

    So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?

    A T2 Hurricane. ...One word I have for you Fozzie, "Awesome". :)
    Tiber Ibis
    The Paratwa Ka
    #440 - 2013-06-22 18:26:59 UTC
    IamBeastx wrote:
    CCP Fozzie wrote:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

    • Yes to EOS hull change.
    Yes to Abso hull change.
    Yes to Nighthawk hull change.

    No to sleipnir hull change, this ship is far too widely known and remembered with its current hull, almost EVERY tournament and day to day fighting it gets seen.

    Change the claymore hull maybe, but deffo no to sleipnir hull change imo.

    I wouldn't really care which is which to be honest. But in general terms, having a T2 of each BC hull would be a great move.