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About the Eos' model

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Aducat Ragnarson
Blootered Bastards
#381 - 2013-06-11 15:21:13 UTC
I have a great attachment to the Sleipnir in its current form, and I believe the same holds true for most people flying the Sleipnir.

As I have understood it so far, the current state of the discussion is, that for the most part the amarr and caldari do not really care that much about the models, whereas the gallente would like a myrmidon hull, especially as the myrm hull was overlooked for the navy battlecruiser, and the Minmatar are largely against the Hurricane model for the Sleipnir.

Therefore I believe that the need for change is not big enough to warrant it if 25% of the people say "yes" 50% "meh" and 25% "no".

Gazmin VanBurin
Boma Bull Corp
#382 - 2013-06-11 15:55:34 UTC
Yes, Yes Yes Plz I have wanted a black drake foreverrrrrrrrrrr

THo i would be interested in maybe making the cain be the claymore model, a missle spewing cain might look sexy
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#383 - 2013-06-11 16:10:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
Thor Kerrigan wrote:


If most feel that way (me included), perhaps there is a compromise.

In my books, 3 yes's outweigh 1 no. Nevertheless, the sleipnir could possibly be looked at by the art department a bit longer than a simple hurricane re-skin. Just as a stabber >> vagabond has a nice touch of extra dragon ears, perhaps the new sleipnir could look like a "cycloneized" hurricane? Give it two trainlights or something. Add a vargur sail. Put anoth- HEY WHO ARE YOU WHERE ARE YOU TAKING ME?!??!



I've repeated myself a lot on this, but I suppose now that we're up to 20 pages it's reasonable.

All the Command Ships are getting touched and remodeled a bit, whether this hull change happens or not. Just like the Marauders are all getting unique skins based loosely on their T1 versions, the Command Ships will be getting changed from their current appearance as well. This much is guaranteed no matter what. If you're confused, go look at the Tempest and then look at the Vargur. Switch back and forth between the Megathron and Kronos previews a few times; you'll see a number of differences between them and I don't just mean the color.

So yes, they'd be more than just "simple reskins".


Aducat Ragnarson wrote:
I have a great attachment to the Sleipnir in its current form, and I believe the same holds true for most people flying the Sleipnir.

As I have understood it so far, the current state of the discussion is, that for the most part the amarr and caldari do not really care that much about the models, whereas the gallente would like a myrmidon hull, especially as the myrm hull was overlooked for the navy battlecruiser, and the Minmatar are largely against the Hurricane model for the Sleipnir.

Therefore I believe that the need for change is not big enough to warrant it if 25% of the people say "yes" 50% "meh" and 25% "no".



I have been watching this thread very closely, as you can probably tell if you manage to read all 20 pages. I assure you that less than 50% are saying "meh". It's closer to 70-80% showing definite support, 20-25% not wanting it done and the rest either saying they have no particular opposition so go ahead or not caring about the ships they don't fly as long as the ship they do fly gets changed. That being said, it's not unreasonable for someone to not really care about a ship they don't ever fly.

Also, you're wrongly characterizing the replies. 90% or more of the posts in here are very strongly opinionated about the hull flown by that particular pilot. Amarr feel very strongly that a Harby Absolution needs to happen, or they feel strongly that their laserchicken not be changed. Caldari pilots get fairly rabid about black-and-red Drakes, be it in support or in opposition. I worry that the Gallente pilots might start tipping over cars and breaking windows in their vehement support for an Eos Myrm.

To be honest, it seems as though the least passionate group has in fact been the Minmatar pilots. They're very obviously and decidedly either for or against changing the Sleipnir but most of them don't seem as worked up over their opinions as the other groups.
The Djego
Hellequin Inc.
Mean Coalition
#384 - 2013-06-11 16:33:01 UTC
I would vastly prefer the old models.

Black ferox simply looks massive, absolution in red/gold looks awesome, Eos misses her moving parts but still looks good and Sleip looks very aggressive and always reminds me about my first Cyclone etc. I like all the old hulls like they are(still would prefer moving parts on the Eos again).

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Jerick Ludhowe
Internet Tuff Guys
#385 - 2013-06-11 16:42:30 UTC
The Djego wrote:
I would vastly prefer the old models.

Black ferox simply looks massive, absolution in red/gold looks awesome, Eos misses her moving parts but still looks good and Sleip looks very aggressive and always reminds me about my first Cyclone etc. I like all the old hulls like they are(still would prefer moving parts on the Eos again).


Going to generally agree with you however I'd like see the EOS model swapped to the myrmidon. Gallente did get another Brutix hull so it only seems fair.I also would like to see minor/moderate variations in all t2 hulls. This would be something as simple as the moving parts on the eos ect.

Some variation in models to differentiate them from other ships with like hulls is imo, mandatory at this point.
Leskit
Pure Victory
#386 - 2013-06-11 18:09:56 UTC
As much as I want the teir 2 bc's to have a tech 2 version, I don't think porting a command ship over to the hull is the right way to do it...granted they didn't exist when CS's were introduced.

It also makes more sense to keep the hull bonuses in line e.g. resistance bonus on the prophecy hull, not harbiger. I think i'd rather see a new line of CS's on the tier 2 hulls that is either really specialized, or given something to make them different, but neither superior nor inferior to current CS's. Above all, CS's need their pass at nerfac...er...tieric...balance/whatever to even them out. Some really rock, some don't.
Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#387 - 2013-06-11 18:25:54 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
That would (potentially) mean:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

  • The English language lacks the adjectives to properly describe how much I approve of this idea.
    Mascha Tzash
    Ministry of War
    Amarr Empire
    #388 - 2013-06-11 18:58:35 UTC
    Could there be some other uses to the "less iconic" hulls like the myrm? Logistic- or E-War-BC perhaps?

    Would not make change allergics feel queery and bring in the proposed hulls.
    Mole Guy
    Band of Builders Inc.
    Drifters.
    #389 - 2013-06-12 21:39:02 UTC
    a red and gold harby=drool

    i have all 8 command ships. it wouldnt bother me what u did as long as they were bumped up as u guys said.

    i would support a laser chicken, but with the patch change, isnt the chicken a drone/ham boat? so to me, a ham chicken and a laser harby would follow through with the changes nicely.

    now, the brutix is so over used it wouldnt phase me to the myrm the drone boat and use a thorax for the astarte. its just that over used.

    the drake? yeah that SCREAMS nighthawk.

    but the cane...the cane screams mwd and autocannons. what better ship for that but the sleipnir? now, a missile spewing cane as mentioned might be interesting, but if one applies their brain, the only logical conclusion without personal bias would be a cane filling the role of the sleipnir.

    color schemes? a red and black harby?=drool.
    (did i mention that?)

    the nighthawk color scheme needs ALOT of work. its bland.

    the cane? hmmm...open for suggestions.

    the thorax/astarte would just use the same astarte colors. (iknow we cant use the thorax, i just wanted to make a point about the brutix hull. when someone says "here comes a gallente ship, we all ask what brutix variarion?)
    0racle
    Galactic Rangers
    #390 - 2013-06-12 23:09:53 UTC
    Meh, I retract my previous want. Assault ships have always pulled it off with one model. So have command ships. So have interceptors. They're just too memorable to start ******* around with. I have an idea though, bring us a BC sized HAC.
    Ines Tegator
    Serious Business Inc. Ltd. LLC. etc.
    #391 - 2013-06-13 00:21:19 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull


  • DOOOOO EEEEETTT!!!!!!
    Ines Tegator
    Serious Business Inc. Ltd. LLC. etc.
    #392 - 2013-06-13 00:23:13 UTC
    Aducat Ragnarson wrote:
    I have a great attachment to the Sleipnir in its current form, and I believe the same holds true for most people flying the Sleipnir.

    As I have understood it so far, the current state of the discussion is, that for the most part the amarr and caldari do not really care that much about the models, whereas the gallente would like a myrmidon hull, especially as the myrm hull was overlooked for the navy battlecruiser, and the Minmatar are largely against the Hurricane model for the Sleipnir.

    Therefore I believe that the need for change is not big enough to warrant it if 25% of the people say "yes" 50% "meh" and 25% "no".


    This is true. I want the myrm as a t2/faction hull of some kind. The rest are irrelevant. Since the Eos is supposed to be getting myrm-like bonuses anyway, there's no reason not to change it.
    Ridic Poison
    Anomalous Existence
    Wrong Hole.
    #393 - 2013-06-13 02:45:11 UTC
    I am for this only if you can conform that the bonuses, cpu, pg, and all other area of the command ships will not change do to you change the hull shape?


    if that is the case please change them they should look different from one each other.
    Rhianna Ghost
    Imperial Shipment
    Amarr Empire
    #394 - 2013-06-13 06:14:14 UTC
    Ridic Poison wrote:
    I am for this only if you can conform that the bonuses, cpu, pg, and all other area of the command ships will not change do to you change the hull shape?


    if that is the case please change them they should look different from one each other.


    The command ships have to change a lot to not be overrun by the Navy BCs.

    And I it is really all or nothing, as the BPCs for inventing the things will (or at least should) change too.

    And I am very fond of the idea! DO IT NOW. I want my T2 Harby and a Hurricane Sleipnir
    Crysis McNally
    Malevelon Roe Industries
    Convocation of Empyreans
    #395 - 2013-06-13 06:40:44 UTC
    Yes to all but the Eos. I like the Brutix hull too much and the Astarte does not have roles/bonuses I need. Make the Astarte a Myrmidon. :-P
    Alvatore DiMarco
    Capricious Endeavours Ltd
    #396 - 2013-06-13 08:34:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
    Ridic Poison wrote:
    I am for this only if you can conform that the bonuses, cpu, pg, and all other area of the command ships will not change do to you change the hull shape?


    if that is the case please change them they should look different from one each other.


    It has already been said about 15 times (almost once per page) that this change would be totally separate from any rebalancing that the Command Ships will be receiving. If this were to happen tomorrow, the only difference you'd notice would be the hull. Everything else, from bonuses to fittings to slot layout, would remain identical.

    Now, that's not to say those things won't be changed. We know very well that the Sleipnir and Claymore have an extra slot that the other six command ships don't have, so either they're losing that slot when rebalance time comes or the other ships are all gaining a slot to match the power level of the Minmatar ships. We also know that "Field" and "Fleet" distinctions are being abolished, with both roles getting their bonuses changed around to allow for either hull to choose between good DPS or good boosting. On top of that we also definitely know that two command ships, namely the Eos and the Claymore, will be changing weapon platforms entirely.

    These changes are coming, whether the hull change happens or not. The hull change is completely separate though, and has absolutely no impact on which direction the Command Ship rebalance goes.

    Crysis McNally wrote:
    Yes to all but the Eos. I like the Brutix hull too much and the Astarte does not have roles/bonuses I need. Make the Astarte a Myrmidon. :-P


    Not sure if trolling or unaware of what's coming..
    Lloyd Roses
    Artificial Memories
    #397 - 2013-06-13 10:30:03 UTC
    0racle wrote:
    Meh, I retract my previous want. Assault ships have always pulled it off with one model. So have command ships. So have interceptors. They're just too memorable to start ******* around with. I have an idea though, bring us a BC sized HAC.


    Disagree, Assault Frigs are all using the same model, so do Interceptors. Just because it is like that doesn't necessarily mean that it makes any kind of sense. Artists have been lazy once, that alone doesn't mean that all t2 ships need to be originating from the same hull.

    It has been nice for the last time, and we got used to all those hulls. However there are always some visionaries that reach for the possibilities of design. People were screaming about the vagabond revamp, and in the end got away really lucky. Oh ya, why are assault cruisers using different hulls and CS don't? Maybe cause tier 2 battlecruisers plainly haven't been around at the time CS got introduced. Time to FIX that.

    "It's always been like that, don't change it! Only change stuff I don't like" - is an outdated conservative position.

    Given the chances of the new hulls and the fact that an eve player's memory only catches the last two weeks (regarding changes), all that could happen would be more optical diversity.

    Also:
    0racle wrote:
    bring us a BC sized HAC.

    This is exactly what field command ships are atm... And if you rule out the abso/astarte/sleipnir from being oversized HACs you surely categorize things strangely. (never flew a nighthawk)
    Yaturi
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #398 - 2013-06-14 16:53:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Yaturi
    Witcher Stilgar wrote:
    I would not like to see this change. If there must be change , why not make brand new hulls for command ships(even if based on current design)? I would like to see the number of unique hulls increase....



    You know I definitely flip flopped when I came to this thread. First I supported it then I cried csm-esque vote.

    After thinking about it you know what would be really cool. GIVE US THE CSM-ESQUE VOTE AND GIVE US NEW HULLS.

    8 NEW HULLS, YES 8

    Each races 2 original names and 2 new ones

    Why, because f this new multiple boost bonus mess. That's WHY.

    That's 4 CS*s for 4 Boost*s bonuses. As a Gallente I want the Brutix and Myrm in my soup AND two new boats to take out.
    Give me something new. please


    ***EDIT

    Well shoot...if you used the new t3 bc*s it would dropped 8 down to 4 now wouldn't it. Less work for ya
    Unezka Turigahl
    Det Som Engang Var
    #399 - 2013-06-14 17:49:12 UTC
    I like them as they are. They are all using the BC models that look beefier, which works well for a T2 BC. I think the "tier 3" BCs would work better than the "tier 2" BCs as new command ship hulls, visually. But I still prefer the "tier 1" hulls to continue to be used. For both command ships. Its ok that both command ships per race us the same hull because... they're both command ships.
    DeLindsay
    Galaxies Fall
    #400 - 2013-06-14 18:22:35 UTC
    Bump FOR the change!!

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