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Hi-sec PI, worth it or not?
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Bane Hellblaze
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-06-18 06:37:25 UTC
hi, im returning player making a fresh start in the game, i was origionaly planing to be combat purist but then i rememberd PI being isk for not alot of management,

so i guess here my questions, would it be worth ot to get into this if i plan on setting it for day long cycles? and if i only plan on getting the skills to lvl 3 or 4 and making p2 mats in 0.5 sec systems?

thanks for the input
Anhenka
The New Federation
Sigma Grindset
#2 - 2013-06-18 07:07:32 UTC
No.


The lower the security level, the better the yield of the planets. And not a little bit better, like ore levels. A lot.

Your .5? A nullsec or WH planet gets triple per extractor compared to your .5. And said nullsec one probably has a lot less people on it already.


TLDR: no, highsec PI is typically not a good idea except for figuring out how to make a good PI colony as a trainign experiment.
Termy Rockling
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2013-06-18 07:43:31 UTC
You can pull 1M/day or so from hisec, much more from lower secs.
Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#4 - 2013-06-18 07:47:51 UTC
You can defiantly make ISK from HS PI, its just that not only are you paying 10% tax you are also making way way less than Low or 0.0.

I did HS PI for a few months with 15 planets and only made about 500mil in that time not including setup and taxes. I now have 20 planets in WH space and I can make up to about 50mil per day with no taxes (Alliance POS so fuel costs are low) admittedly its a bit lower for me because I don't make he highest value items all of my planets can create as some get donated to the corp for fuel, nanite past ect.

If you want to do HS PI with very little effort , make P2 on one planet (less taxes and shipping around) and stick to the expensive P2 items like enriched uranium and mechanical parts.
Abadayos
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-06-18 10:17:28 UTC
If your looking to do PI in high sec, don't even bother extracting from the planets. Use them as factory planets to make higher level stuff, just make sure you take into account the taxes etc
Logical Chaos
Very Italian People
The Initiative.
#6 - 2013-06-18 14:47:03 UTC
Termy Rockling wrote:
You can pull 1M/day or so from hisec, much more from lower secs.


Confirming. 360 P2 per day per Planet easily doable in 0.0 (even with Upgrades to IV). This is of course producing stuff on one Planet. You can do more profitable things by having T1 extraction planets and T1 -> T3/T4 industry planets but that needs a lot more maintenance.
Scarlett LaBlanc
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-06-18 22:44:28 UTC
Short answer:
Yes, you can make a profit doing high sec PI. A small one and you need to crunch the numbers to see if it's worth it.

You can make easy 10 times more in low-sec
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#8 - 2013-06-19 00:22:52 UTC
If you have to do PI in High Sec, go with basic materials like Water or Oxygen. Hi Sec planets are "poor" and there's no point in paying the tax anymore often than you have to, ONCE, because it will pretty much kill your margins on everything else.

The exception to that is to go with "factory planets" but only if you can find your materials cheaply and still come out ahead after multiple taxes... and even then you will have to keep a close eye on the market so your product doesn't bottom out with too much supply.



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Ivan Krividus
Cold Lazarus Inc
#9 - 2013-06-19 00:54:04 UTC
Many would say no, but I say that profit is profit. Set it up so that minimal effort is needed. Make P2 on every planet, and leave 1 planet for refining into P3/P4. Makes even less than regular hi sec PI but more worth the effort.
RonPaul Rox
Minmatar Fleet Academy
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#10 - 2013-06-19 04:47:09 UTC
Bane Hellblaze wrote:
hi, im returning player making a fresh start in the game, i was origionaly planing to be combat purist but then i rememberd PI being isk for not alot of management,

so i guess here my questions, would it be worth ot to get into this if i plan on setting it for day long cycles? and if i only plan on getting the skills to lvl 3 or 4 and making p2 mats in 0.5 sec systems?

thanks for the input




http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qDdnwPOuokU/TxNMk4iUxFI/AAAAAAAAAoI/HyLL3sHS4jg/s200/clint-eastwood-disgusted-gif.gif

not worth the effort imho, and lol at factory planets...

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ar_YTOcXpvb9dGFIdHJlb0VmYXBORWRrcXFkeHNjcWc#gid=10

it's usually not worth it after taxes

http://imgur.com/EGjYLSL
Andrew Indy
Cleaning Crew
#11 - 2013-06-19 09:08:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrew Indy
Ivan Krividus wrote:
Many would say no, but I say that profit is profit. Set it up so that minimal effort is needed. Make P2 on every planet, and leave 1 planet for refining into P3/P4. Makes even less than regular hi sec PI but more worth the effort.


P2 on one Planet Yes, Tax is less on P2 than P1 (by value) and you dont need to export very often.
P3-4 Production not so much.

Not only do you pay 3 lots of Tax (export - import - export) but you also have to make all of the parts required for a P3/P4 item some of which might be very low value.

A an example I used to make nanite paste (not really a P4 but the same principle still applies).

It requires 2X P3 and 1X P2, several of these items where of a low value (Nanites and Oxides are like 3000isk where as Mech parts are 7000isk) and It also required 3 planets just for Silicon to keep up with the rest of the planets. If I had stuck to Mech parts , Enriched uranium and other expensive products not only would I have paid less tax (as a percentage) but I would have made alot more ISK.
Vurt Konne
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2013-06-20 09:11:29 UTC
If PI somewhere else than hisec is an option for you, then no, it's not worth it.

I'd say go for minimum effort in hisec, it's a little almost passive extra then.
Keep your planets close to home and produce some p2 to minimize the hauling.
To always set up your planets for stuff that brings most money is not worth the time in hisec. Better look for planets that can produce decent amounts of p2 and are 1 jump from what you call home.