Live Events Discussion

Breaking News: Provists seize Haatamo station; Tibus Heth leading

Siege of Haatomo continues; Provist intentions unclear

Siege of Haatomo enters day 2

BREAKING NEWS: Tibus Heth denounced by CEP, to be ousted as KK CEO

Heth took control on part of the station and has in his disposal "access to up to a hundred vessels, many of them capital class".
Something shot happen within few days.

I haven't heard of anything directly involving players yet, but I am almost certain sometime next week a live event is likely to crop up based around this between Heth loyalists and CEP loyalists.

From what I'm hearing, Heth escaped on a Raven that was never flagged as suspect. The Caldari Navy was also never flagged.

That's pretty disappointing to me. That essentially keeps anyone from being to interact with the event except in a very specific and limited way: Heth's supporters are destroyed, but he escapes, cackling and twirling his mustache to become a recurring villain. No leeway for Heth supporters to save some portion of the fleet, no realistic chance for Heth to be killed.

Given the usual open nature of the sandbox, that's a big slap in the face for players who thought they would be able to have an affect on the story, rather than just be present for it.

It would not have taken much to say that Heth either has access to Capsuleer grade clonetech, or Dust clonetech, or simply had a clone of himself stashed somewhere, waiting to be activated, in case of a nasty case of death.

That way his ship could been destroyed at Haatomo, or not if the defending provists were successful, or the opposing side missed flagging his ship.

Sandbox > Scripted Events, CCP.

I tend to agree.

There's an old tabletop RPG gamemaster adage that says 'if you stat it, they can and will find a way to kill it' - which is to say, if the npc is given stats in game, then yes the players should be able to kill that npc, even if it is a monumental and epic task to do so.

By placing a ship with Tibus Heth onboard, then CCP is essentially doing the same thing, the Raven being the equivalent of statting the NPC. However, by making that ship unable to be engaged (even by suicide gank?) they are essentially blueballing the players, especially the Caldari players, who have waited so long for a chance to fall down on one side or another of the line for this encounter.

I hope CCP corrects this. Maybe Heth has a secret fleet stashed somewhere else just in case these kinds of things ever happened, who knows.

Heth gets his fleet together, calls for all loyal Provists, and then launches his fleet on either a Federal target, or even a target in Caldari space.

Give pilots on both sides of the line their chance to defend or send Tibus Heth down in flames.



And here i'm a Gallente character and I feel sorry for the Caldari players who got blueballed in this. Heck, I had my ship hanging out in Luminaire in case Heth and his crew crossed the border in a death or glory mission, so i'm feeling a little blueballed myself, but to a much lesser degree.

People could suicide gank. They choose not to.

Though, whether or not Heth would still be on that ship (if he ever was) is a different question.

Suicide ganking a raven in hisec is not easy, and require quite a bit of coordinated firepower. Considering that most people had the dreads to deal with, and there was no indication what ship Heth was on...

It's the inconsistency. Every other ship was flagged suspect. Why not that one? because CCP wanted him to get away and knew that screwing with the suspect flags would do the trick. Why they didn't just stick him on a covops is beyond me, at least then they could have done it legitimately and within the boundaries of their own rules.



While saddening that CCP didn't try to organize things a bit more, it was always going to be a one-sided fight. Heth is a poorly written artifact of the TonyG era that was soundly despised by 90% of Caldari Rpers. Given the chance to shoot him, it was pretty much a given that the line to do so would go around the block. Twice.

Sorry to hear about the GM though, that's uncalled for.

Instead of whining about it, consider why it may have been that way.

Concord had officially announced several days ago that CEP were the legitimate authority in the matter at hand. Why would their ships be suspect flagged? Anyone who went relying on that was making a huge assumption. Yes they have global flagged other events, but it hasn't always made sensee, even though events such as Snipehunt had some basis, I know several of us involved in that registered a complaint with Concord claiming that The Black Eagles were in violation of laws and as such should not be permitted authority to interfere. I don't know if they got read before hand by Falcon, or much attention paid after, as Concord reps are remarkable bad at replying (As any cops are :P). But from an IC perspective, it makes a kind of sense that Concord may have listened to those protests, regarded it as a kind of short term war dec, and given us a chance to trial by combat effectively.

Did anyone on the Heth side do the same for this event, did they protest Concords legitimising of the CEP/Navy fleet and by doing so, the deligitimising of the TD fleet?

As for Heths Raven. What if they had all the Navy ships flagged, but the Raven was not one of the stolen Navy ships, so they didn't have the transponder on it ahead of time to arrange for it's flagging. And Concord weren't able to respond fast enough on the spot to do a specific transponder that had not engaged in any automated suspect acts.

End of the day, we can sit there and we can pick holes in anything, I can pick holes in your RP too if you really want to play that game, and I'm sure you can all do the same right back to me. But there are also ways in which we can consider the events and go 'what if's' that make sense from an IC perspective.

Lore wise them not getting Flagged makes absolute sense..from an Event point of view it didn't...For the Heth Supporters such as Diana Kim this event was simply sit at undock and watch Capitals explode.
While I'm sure the Events team had their reasons, mainly for not Flagging Tolen for story purposes I agree that the navy should have been flagged simply to give us the ability to fire at them without getting concorded

Actually, suspect flagging only the Dragonairs makes a bit of sense. Going by the lore, CONCORD controls all of the suspect flags. CONCORD not only recognized the CEP as the rightful authority, but also went as far as to send the DED to assist the Caldari Navy, with some high-profile DED Officers arriving on the scene. CONCORD would not flag CN as they were shooting at people who were criminals anyway. Personally, I'm surprised the Dragonairs didn't have criminal flags rather than suspect flags. Than again, if they did that, the non-CCP controlled CONCORD ships would come and just roll over everyone.

With regards to Heth escaping, I'm actually okay with that. I was kind of caught off-guard by when the Haatomo event started, so I will admit I missed part of it, namely, the initial attempt to brake the CEP blockade. Now I personally have more of a chance to organize, become paranoid, and be ready to roll into wherever Heth next shows his dirty face so I can blast it into oblivion with 7 fully loaded rocket launchers.

Although I personally think the only thing that would be better than Heth fleeing to lowsec would be Heth fleeing to Fountain. Just imagine CFC and TEST fighting over a system and then BAM Live Event.