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I'd like to see tags4faction the way tags4sec works
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#21 - 2013-06-14 20:11:05 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
you don't get it, I want to paly everything not just parts of the game!
So… just go ahead and do it. Nothing is stopping you.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#22 - 2013-06-14 20:21:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Seetesh wrote:
Right first off try another game, second stop moaning and crying like a little girl about a mechanic that has worked for so well for long. You need to adapt! Third I have no problem coming to help relieve you of your mission ship and pod.

Ten years + here and 14 accounts and I have done t all just sub another too. Or go play wow.


10 years playing did not help you to improove on your social skills, you might open the window and talk to some people in RL from time to time

no more comment like that needed, you are on my endless ignorelist because of damaged communication mechanics and a lack of respect, ciao!

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#23 - 2013-06-14 20:24:09 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:

10 years playing did not help you to improove on your social skills, you might open the window and talk to some people in RL from time to time

no more comment like that needed, you are on my endless ignorelist because of damaged communication mechanics and a lack of respect, ciao!



This guy is a real hypocrit


Reminds me of someone my brother used to know....


John Peenix?

Jake Fonics?


Nah its gone.......

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Zircon Dasher
#24 - 2013-06-14 20:35:20 UTC
This argument sounds really familiar.

Like REALLY familiar.

Like tags4sec familiar.

Since we already have a tag4standing mechanic in place the only change necessary would be to remove the "one-time" use restriction on data centers.

Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#25 - 2013-06-14 20:45:30 UTC
Zircon Dasher wrote:
This argument sounds really familiar.

Like REALLY familiar.

Like tags4sec familiar.

Since we already have a tag4standing mechanic in place the only change necessary would be to remove the "one-time" use restriction on data centers.


yes i think that would help, CCP implemented the new tag4sec as well because they did notice that some players decided to leave the game because their character was locked out of high sec, if the data centers could be used more often that would be an ideal and easy sollution I think

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Ifly Uwalk
Perkone
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-06-14 20:47:40 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:


Your right I dont get it


Cake + eat it? or just trollolol? Only the fan can decide.


stupid non helful comments = blocked!

ciao!

I wish I could block you from EVE and send you to WoW instead. That would increase each games' average player IQ! Smile
Jimmy Morane
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#27 - 2013-06-14 20:59:30 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Seetesh wrote:
Right first off try another game, second stop moaning and crying like a little girl about a mechanic that has worked for so well for long. You need to adapt! Third I have no problem coming to help relieve you of your mission ship and pod.

Ten years + here and 14 accounts and I have done t all just sub another too. Or go play wow.


10 years playing did not help you to improove on your social skills, you might open the window and talk to some people in RL from time to time

no more comment like that needed, you are on my endless ignorelist because of damaged communication mechanics and a lack of respect, ciao!


lol dude if you keep putting people on your ignore list their will be no one to talk with. Errr well maybe that should tell you something about your own communication mechanics.

And before you ignore me,

ciao!!!11111!!!!
Oggat
The Adam's Family
#28 - 2013-06-14 21:20:01 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Zircon Dasher wrote:
This argument sounds really familiar.

Like REALLY familiar.

Like tags4sec familiar.

Since we already have a tag4standing mechanic in place the only change necessary would be to remove the "one-time" use restriction on data centers.


yes i think that would help, CCP implemented the new tag4sec as well because they did notice that some players decided to leave the game because their character was locked out of high sec, if the data centers could be used more often that would be an ideal and easy sollution I think


No it wouldn't.
Data Center standings still impact opposition factions.

The system is designed to be whack-a-mole. All repeatable Data Center's would do is remove mission grind.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#29 - 2013-06-14 21:23:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Harry Forever
Ifly Uwalk wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:


Your right I dont get it


Cake + eat it? or just trollolol? Only the fan can decide.


stupid non helful comments = blocked!

ciao!

I wish I could block you from EVE and send you to WoW instead. That would increase each games' average player IQ! Smile


most of the time only people with low IQ think that others have the same because their own IQ hinders them to understand the higher IQ people, understand?

by the way you are blocked as well ;) see ya

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#30 - 2013-06-14 21:25:48 UTC
Oggat wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Zircon Dasher wrote:
This argument sounds really familiar.

Like REALLY familiar.

Like tags4sec familiar.

Since we already have a tag4standing mechanic in place the only change necessary would be to remove the "one-time" use restriction on data centers.


yes i think that would help, CCP implemented the new tag4sec as well because they did notice that some players decided to leave the game because their character was locked out of high sec, if the data centers could be used more often that would be an ideal and easy sollution I think


No it wouldn't.
Data Center standings still impact opposition factions.

The system is designed to be whack-a-mole. All repeatable Data Center's would do is remove mission grind.


yea thats right the interaction of the standings is something I'm not so excited about as well :D

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Smohq Anmirorz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-06-14 21:25:51 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Elliavir wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
honestly this just hinders you to play the game like you want to play it, it feels like a cage put on the endless possibilities the game has to offer, for me it feels like the biggest drawback


Why? Is it the working up from nonfactor to beloved with factions that you don't like - or the fact that you wind up picking sides by what you do - or ???


the problem is if i run some missions the standings go down too fast with the other factions, and if it goes too low I'm unble to access their space anymore as the npc navy will attack me, however i need to go around as I'm trading a lot, basically i wanto to run missions and do all stuff in the game but when it hinders my trading it blocks me from doing it...


Don't run missions where you shoot other factions' navies and your standing won't drop so fast. It then becomes very easy and possible to visit all the factions and not get shot at.
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#32 - 2013-06-14 21:29:21 UTC
Jimmy Morane wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Seetesh wrote:
Right first off try another game, second stop moaning and crying like a little girl about a mechanic that has worked for so well for long. You need to adapt! Third I have no problem coming to help relieve you of your mission ship and pod.

Ten years + here and 14 accounts and I have done t all just sub another too. Or go play wow.


10 years playing did not help you to improove on your social skills, you might open the window and talk to some people in RL from time to time

no more comment like that needed, you are on my endless ignorelist because of damaged communication mechanics and a lack of respect, ciao!


lol dude if you keep putting people on your ignore list their will be no one to talk with. Errr well maybe that should tell you something about your own communication mechanics.

And before you ignore me,

ciao!!!11111!!!!


just read again how he talked to me, if you feel you need that kind of communication, just add him as friend, no problem... i do not need it though, there are enough people on the planet who are worth talking to, for me there is no need to talk on that level

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#33 - 2013-06-14 21:30:17 UTC
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Elliavir wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
honestly this just hinders you to play the game like you want to play it, it feels like a cage put on the endless possibilities the game has to offer, for me it feels like the biggest drawback


Why? Is it the working up from nonfactor to beloved with factions that you don't like - or the fact that you wind up picking sides by what you do - or ???


the problem is if i run some missions the standings go down too fast with the other factions, and if it goes too low I'm unble to access their space anymore as the npc navy will attack me, however i need to go around as I'm trading a lot, basically i wanto to run missions and do all stuff in the game but when it hinders my trading it blocks me from doing it...


Don't run missions where you shoot other factions' navies and your standing won't drop so fast. It then becomes very easy and possible to visit all the factions and not get shot at.


yea i will try that for the missions, thanks...

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-06-14 21:34:41 UTC
Seetesh wrote:
Right first off try another game, second stop moaning and crying like a little girl about a mechanic that has worked for so well for long. You need to adapt! Third I have no problem coming to help relieve you of your mission ship and pod.

Ten years + here and 14 accounts and I have done t all just sub another too. Or go play wow.


I think invoking "WoW" should be the Eve equivalent of Godwin's law.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."
Oggat
The Adam's Family
#35 - 2013-06-14 21:38:27 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Oggat wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
Zircon Dasher wrote:
This argument sounds really familiar.

Like REALLY familiar.

Like tags4sec familiar.

Since we already have a tag4standing mechanic in place the only change necessary would be to remove the "one-time" use restriction on data centers.


yes i think that would help, CCP implemented the new tag4sec as well because they did notice that some players decided to leave the game because their character was locked out of high sec, if the data centers could be used more often that would be an ideal and easy sollution I think


No it wouldn't.
Data Center standings still impact opposition factions.

The system is designed to be whack-a-mole. All repeatable Data Center's would do is remove mission grind.


yea thats right the interaction of the standings is something I'm not so excited about as well :D


Don't use Navy corps if what you are trying to obtain is access to 4 racial corps, not the full races. You won't get access to high sec POS or even clones but you can get a corp in each nation to where you can run 4's anywhere.

Don't get me wrong. I'd love to see Data Centers no longer be static. Switching out loyalties is what pirates do with sec tags. Doing the same with pirate dog tags for the Nations would be balanced. Pirates buy Sec, mission runners buy standings.

Have it 3 months like Epic Arc, add in a second tier for commander and you could switch out what nation you are loyal to at about the same speed as you can remap.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#36 - 2013-06-14 21:38:44 UTC
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Seetesh wrote:
Right first off try another game, second stop moaning and crying like a little girl about a mechanic that has worked for so well for long. You need to adapt! Third I have no problem coming to help relieve you of your mission ship and pod.

Ten years + here and 14 accounts and I have done t all just sub another too. Or go play wow.


I think invoking "WoW" should be the Eve equivalent of Godwin's law.


I cannot agree strongly enough

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Zircon Dasher
#37 - 2013-06-14 21:42:15 UTC
Oggat wrote:

The system is designed to be whack-a-mole. All repeatable Data Center's would do is remove mission grind.


Whack-a-mole is actually fine in this instance. I am pretty sure the mission grind is the most awful part of the current mechanic. Its much slower and more nauseating than sec grind ever was.

Nerfing High-sec is never the answer. It is the question. The answer is 'YES'.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#38 - 2013-06-14 21:46:23 UTC
Harry Forever wrote:
Zak Matrix wrote:
Try avoiding missions where you have to shoot faction navies, killing those faction ships hits your standing a lot. Hits from storyline missions are minimal compared to that.

And you can always train diplomacy, and go through the faction standing repair plan.


yea i know, for the missions thats a possibility but for faction warfare? basically i can not take part in that because of that mechanic, at some point it takes far too long to get the standing up again, the repair plan also takes ages

i want to be able to try out everything, but with all the time put into the character if feels like I don't want to screw the standing too much because it could lock me out of big areas of the map, it just does not feel right

This is why many have alts.

The trading/ hauling alt does few missions, or avoids the faction kill missions.

Other alts allow their standings to crash with some factions, and just do not go there.

Between all your alts you can try it all.

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Elliavir
Miskatonic Mercantile
#39 - 2013-06-14 21:47:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Elliavir
Harry Forever wrote:
Elliavir wrote:
Harry Forever wrote:
honestly this just hinders you to play the game like you want to play it, it feels like a cage put on the endless possibilities the game has to offer, for me it feels like the biggest drawback


Why? Is it the working up from nonfactor to beloved with factions that you don't like - or the fact that you wind up picking sides by what you do - or ???


the problem is if i run some missions the standings go down too fast with the other factions, and if it goes too low I'm unble to access their space anymore as the npc navy will attack me, however i need to go around as I'm trading a lot, basically i wanto to run missions and do all stuff in the game but when it hinders my trading it blocks me from doing it...



I find the rep changes immersive (it wouldn't make sense to me to be shooting up Amarr ships one day, and welcomed with cookies and mission offers in their spece the next). And I haven't (yet) really felt the urge to try out Amarr or Caldari missions - I'm happy with Gallente and Minmatar love.

However, I do have an alt who handles my trading - because I am really not loved in half of Empire space.

Have you considered having 2 characters to play on either side of the loyalties fence, and then a very neutral alt to handle trades and hauling? With the new dual-training thing for PLEX, it's a bit more convenient.

As other folks have noted - you can turn down missions that involve shooting at other factions, or do distribution missions. But that does limit your play options, which seems to be what you don't want. So just spread it out over multiple characters?
Oggat
The Adam's Family
#40 - 2013-06-14 21:50:16 UTC
Zircon Dasher wrote:
Oggat wrote:

The system is designed to be whack-a-mole. All repeatable Data Center's would do is remove mission grind.


Whack-a-mole is actually fine in this instance. I am pretty sure the mission grind is the most awful part of the current mechanic. Its much slower and more nauseating than sec grind ever was.


I'm not about to argue if CCP decide to make data center based standings similar to sec tags.

250,000 or so souls from dog tags in Jita vaults are telling me I'd have rocks in my head. But as an alternative because those are good, can we reproc the commander tags to racial moon goo and the regualr tags for a little raw moon goo based on rank?

I'd rather nuke them but 5K in minerals seems a bit comical for some of them.