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New Share system - NPC Shares? - Share Market? - Share Rights?!

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Ohaya Tadaruwa
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-06-11 04:16:07 UTC
Hello,
I search for a while some SHARES of corporation.
For me it's a really good point on EvE (can buy/sell actions) it's UNIQUE in a video-game/MMORPG.
But I'm really sad to see that it is very poorly done, not secure (it gives not want to do with "put rules" before share it, like "no CEO vote" ect...)

Cause actually nobody sell it because of the vote (it scared people and i understand that)

But if there is ccp leans a little (it's not hard to do) it can be a very good point for EvE and gaming experience!
A true system of trade of shares, securing rights, or even a market!

And why not the crazy idea to buy / sell shares of NPC corp? With Dust514 would be an investment in the victories / defeats of them!
In addition, the side of roleplay to buy shares of NPC CORP!
CORP npc had real benefit each months, and via Dust514 will have many expenses, it would not be justified?

Imagine the impact it could have on small industrial and commercial corporations, which constantly take capital by selling shares and thanks to that money could buy ships and BPO to produce/sell and provide dividend income they would taken years to achieve.

I do not know, I said for a while with this system underused yet easy to implement, and EVE players miss something.
I think a real system of trade shares, on market and edit rights's necessary and really easy to set up.


What do you think?
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-06-11 05:30:25 UTC
Ohaya Tadaruwa wrote:
Hello,
I search for a while some SHARES of corporation.
For me it's a really good point on EvE (can buy/sell actions) it's UNIQUE in a video-game/MMORPG.
But I'm really sad to see that it is very poorly done, not secure (it gives not want to do with "put rules" before share it, like "no CEO vote" ect...)

Cause actually nobody sell it because of the vote (it scared people and i understand that)

But if there is ccp leans a little (it's not hard to do) it can be a very good point for EvE and gaming experience!
A true system of trade of shares, securing rights, or even a market!

And why not the crazy idea to buy / sell shares of NPC corp? With Dust514 would be an investment in the victories / defeats of them!
In addition, the side of roleplay to buy shares of NPC CORP!
CORP npc had real benefit each months, and via Dust514 will have many expenses, it would not be justified?

Imagine the impact it could have on small industrial and commercial corporations, which constantly take capital by selling shares and thanks to that money could buy ships and BPO to produce/sell and provide dividend income they would taken years to achieve.

I do not know, I said for a while with this system underused yet easy to implement, and EVE players miss something.
I think a real system of trade shares, on market and edit rights's necessary and really easy to set up.


What do you think?

The share system has been brougth up many times.

The problem is EVE itself.

when you have a game with near-zero action onsequences and the anonymity of alts, there is literally no incentive to even touch shares, in fact, corps in which anyone but the CEO has shares are incredibly rare.

then comes the actual functionality of the sahres, how do you enforce the basic prinicpals behind them without arbitraryor exploitable mechanics? how do you prevent corps from scamming those who purchase their shares, and how do you make it profitable for a corp to sell shares they would have to pay back out of their profits for as long as the shares exist, instead of just making their money themselves for themselves?

as for NPC shares, no, that would become an isk faucet.
Ohaya Tadaruwa
Doomheim
#3 - 2013-06-11 05:57:30 UTC
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when you have a game with near-zero action onsequences and the anonymity of alts, there is literally no incentive to even touch shares, in fact, corps in which anyone but the CEO has shares are incredibly rare.


The market could be otherwise.
The actions named with the possibility to see the latest dividends if there ect ect ...

Thus, as actually, the shares would leave a void valeure casi to ride with confidence and arrver has peaks, forever the same amount of dividends (which would cripple face sales of shares issued!)

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then comes the actual functionality of the sahres, how do you enforce the basic prinicpals behind them without arbitraryor exploitable mechanics? how do you prevent corps from scamming those who purchase their shares


Make a system that makes the corp may redeem the shares at a purchase price at any time might be an idea, avoiding the ghosts and unwanted Shares?

When buying players would see the "rules" imposed behind them, and thus accept that:
I want buy a share of "TOTOCORP" I accept 200M/Action and paid to the corp should at least buy me these shares 210M if she want it back.
I know that there is no access to vote or to "lock Unlock BPO" but in exchange, I know that the corp agrees to pay 10% of profits or something else ...

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and how do you make it profitable for a corp to sell shares they would have to pay back out of their profits for as long as the shares exist, instead of just making their money themselves for themselves?


It is like in reality.
If you up your factory one from scratch, you metteras years has acquired machines / used ect ... But yes, 100% for you.

But if you agree to sell shares, then you must pay a dividend to your shareholders.
But much to pay 10% of 1000 profit, but to keep 100% of 10 right?
Well, the it would sell shares every month, increasing its capital investment ever for higher incomes.
Dividends will certainly increase, but EVERY time you give more, your value of future shares sell!

It is an infinite loop, the corp takes a profit!
And if one day she wants to stop it (which would be stupid) could redeem shares if a system is put in place.
Of course, this system applies only on industrial sector (investissement industrial)

Today, if it is ever done, it is because of this voting system and that scares people who stop their account keeping units.
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If CCP does not want to make a complexe market like that, maybe just create editable shares right (before selling first) AND Who can be take back on members (If they go on other corp after a Drama or just stop play ect) (status of the shares to have this "Can be take back at all moment" on when given for sure)

JUST THAT would have operations with shares on the corp, and without problem.
This would be used, we would we buy a share with X right, and I think a lot of corp empire could use this system.

And a true system of "selling shares" would be great, because we Actually Have to give shares, or give money first ... We Have to trust a loooot.



Complexe system, or just "better simple system" can be great.
Actually we JUST can't used it.
Ohaya Tadaruwa
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-06-11 14:46:46 UTC
Up?
Malissa Radort
ICE is Coming to EVE
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2013-06-16 02:04:15 UTC
Well, I Up it, can we know what Dev think about Shares System and future evolutions?