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0racle
Galactic Rangers
#361 - 2013-06-08 01:23:54 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.

I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.

It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.

That would (potentially) mean:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

    • This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.

    So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?


    Do it.
    0racle
    Galactic Rangers
    #362 - 2013-06-08 01:39:21 UTC  |  Edited by: 0racle
    SanshaGrey wrote:
    Jonas Sukarala wrote:
    all T2 hulls would be awesome with unique models based on the appropriate hull.


    +1. Sound cool for me. HACs do have different hulls, why shouldn't CS and AS have them? Just imagine Kestrel-based Hawk, Tristran-based Ishkur, not to mention Hurri-Sleip. Wouldn't that be AWESOME?


    Could make the Vengeance a Tormentor. And make the Jaguar a symmetrical Burst.

    As for any arguements regarding the dramatic change of roles regarding ship hulls. The Maller did become a Sacrilege.
    0racle
    Galactic Rangers
    #363 - 2013-06-08 01:44:08 UTC
    Tinukeda'ya Naskingar wrote:
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    Cards on the table, the Sleipnir is the ship I have the greatest emotional attachment to of any ship in EVE. It would look great as a Hurricane, but it would also look DIFFERENT and that makes me feel confused feelings deep inside my heart.

    I also don't think this kind of change would be worthwhile unless we did all four and converted them into those specific hulls, since any deviation would make it harder for a new player trying to get information from their looks.

    So it's kinda an all or nothing deal, which is what makes it such a difficult question.


    Sleipnir is my ship of choice... changing it to hurricane would destroy the game for me unless Claymore will become usefull for my playing style.

    Hurricane is a deal breaker for me. It's the Cyclone hull I love.

    EDIT: Just to add... Changing the Cyclone to missile boat was already hard for me as it's my secondary ship. But I could live with that.... but flying Sleipwith Hurricane hull. Shocked


    It makes more sense. But the thing is, the hurricane was never about shield boosting. The sleip kind of is.
    Koronakesh
    Seekers of a Silent Paradise
    #364 - 2013-06-08 02:11:02 UTC
    /Agree with the proposed hull swap shenanigans

    SASPR Amir al-Mu'minin
    Alx Warlord
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #365 - 2013-06-08 03:03:55 UTC
    ExAstra wrote:
    Alx Warlord wrote:
    I WANT IT!!! THE ONLY REASON I DON'T FLY AN EOS IS BECOUSE IT DON'T LOOK LIKE A MYRM!!!

    Really? You don't not fly it because it's kind of the least attractive of all the Fleet Command Ships?
    (functionally, I mean)


    Still better then myrmidon doesn't it?

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    Alkyria Decile
    Delstar Corp
    #366 - 2013-06-08 03:40:51 UTC
    CCP Ytterbium wrote:
    Why choosing the Brutix instead of the Myrmidon as a Navy hull?

    Internal discussion resulted in favor of the Brutix since we felt it represented the Gallente combat doctrine more accurately with close range hybrids. A Myrmidon Navy Issue could also have been problematic to balance without overstepping on the Dominix, Vexor Navy Issue or even turret ships.


    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.

    I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.

    It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.

    This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.

    So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?



    On one hand you guys decided to use the brutix because a myrm wasn't a blaster ship even though every other navy battle cruiser used the tier 2, and on the other you guys say its not important for the ships to match their original models function.

    Given that a lot of catagories have an odd man out per say (navy brutix, caladari ecm battleship etc...) i don't see why there would be a huge issue to change one or 2 command ship models instead of all 4.

    With that being said Creo drone needs to stop sitting on thier hands and get after that battlecruiser design!
    DeLindsay
    Galaxies Fall
    #367 - 2013-06-08 23:21:39 UTC
    19 pages and over 600 likes with an overwhelming positive reaction to the change, make it happen CCP!

    The Operative: "There are a lot of innocent people being killed in the air right now".

    Capt. Malcolm Reynolds: "You have no idea how true that is".
    Atlanti IV
    Galactic Conglomerate
    #368 - 2013-06-09 01:59:14 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:


  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull



    • YES
    YES
    YES
    YES
    Let me stop before I get flagged for spamming
    Witcher Stilgar
    School of Applied Knowledge
    Caldari State
    #369 - 2013-06-09 06:26:08 UTC
    I would not like to see this change. If there must be change , why not make brand new hulls for command ships(even if based on current design)? I would like to see the number of unique hulls increase....
    Mahuika
    AIR WATER
    #370 - 2013-06-09 23:23:46 UTC
    Bump!
    Alvatore DiMarco
    Capricious Endeavours Ltd
    #371 - 2013-06-10 00:28:19 UTC
    I wonder if this thread will get to 20 pages.
    Vesan Terakol
    Trollgrin Sadface
    Dark Taboo
    #372 - 2013-06-10 11:37:28 UTC
    A bit of personal opinion - I'd actually prefer the Claymore to be based on the Hurricane hull, not sure why... well, black Hurricane with missiles - sounds reasonable, right? The hulls shouldn't necessarily convey the weapon system when transfered to t2, as they are heavily modified versions of the t1. Besides, the hurricane has a sword-ish look -> Claymore, right? :)
    Jonas Sukarala
    Deep Core Mining Inc.
    Caldari State
    #373 - 2013-06-10 17:53:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonas Sukarala
    I guess another important question that hasn't been asked is
    - if you change the models will the stats/bonuses also change along with them?
    so sleipnir using a cane hull will it also become armour tanked and lose its shield rep bonus
    Absolution will it be a harbinger but with added resits bonus?
    Will the Vulture gain improved ferox stats?
    Otherwise i think a T2 cane model shield boosting like a cyclone is just plain wrong...

    And also please make these more interesting than the combat bc's that are almost like clones but with different weapons.
    sleipnir with no tank bonus would be fine to have
    And the Gallente don't need to have active tanking on both hulls ..
    And damnation shouldn't have 2 different tanking bonuses maybe it could have the HP bonus for variance from absolution if you keep the resist bonus on absolution.

    'Tech3 ships need to be put down, like a rabid dog drooling everywhere in the house, they are out of line' CCP Ytterbium Nerf missile range into place where is the TD missile change?  ..projectiles should use capacitor. ABC's should be T2 HABC and nerf web strength its still too high

    ExAstra
    Echoes of Silence
    #374 - 2013-06-10 17:55:20 UTC
    Jonas Sukarala wrote:
    I guess another important question that hasn't been asked is
    - if you change the models will the stats/bonuses also change along with them?
    so sleipnir using a cane hull will it also become armour tanked and lose its shield rep bonus
    Absolution will it be a harbinger but with added resits bonus?
    Will the Vulture gain improved ferox stats?
    Otherwise i think a T2 cane model shield boosting like a cyclone is just plain wrong...

    The question hasn't been asked because it was already answered, in the first post CCP made about the subject.

    Which is "It would be an entirely visual change"

    "GF"

    Save the drones!
    Thor Kerrigan
    Guardians of Asceticism
    #375 - 2013-06-10 18:45:36 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    Cards on the table, the Sleipnir is the ship I have the greatest emotional attachment to of any ship in EVE. It would look great as a Hurricane, but it would also look DIFFERENT and that makes me feel confused feelings deep inside my heart.

    I also don't think this kind of change would be worthwhile unless we did all four and converted them into those specific hulls, since any deviation would make it harder for a new player trying to get information from their looks.

    So it's kinda an all or nothing deal, which is what makes it such a difficult question.


    If most feel that way (me included), perhaps there is a compromise.

    In my books, 3 yes's outweigh 1 no. Nevertheless, the sleipnir could possibly be looked at by the art department a bit longer than a simple hurricane re-skin. Just as a stabber >> vagabond has a nice touch of extra dragon ears, perhaps the new sleipnir could look like a "cycloneized" hurricane? Give it two trainlights or something. Add a vargur sail. Put anoth- HEY WHO ARE YOU WHERE ARE YOU TAKING ME?!??!
    BlakPhoenix
    Load Up Blast Everything
    DARKNESS.
    #376 - 2013-06-11 02:24:45 UTC
    very much yes
    Darth Felin
    Monkey Attack Squad
    Goonswarm Federation
    #377 - 2013-06-11 08:27:03 UTC
    This Idea is excellent!
    Kane Fenris
    NWP
    #378 - 2013-06-11 13:43:44 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:


    So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?



    Don't .... just don't do it...What?

    why? cause it wont get people happy without getting a significant amount unhappy.
    to make gamplay better it would be acceptable to have unhappy people but since it doesnt ....


    just don't!!!
    DeLindsay
    Galaxies Fall
    #379 - 2013-06-11 13:52:00 UTC
    Kane Fenris wrote:
    CCP Fozzie wrote:


    So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?



    Don't .... just don't do it...What?

    why? cause it wont get people happy without getting a significant amount unhappy.
    to make gamplay better it would be acceptable to have unhappy people but since it doesnt ....


    just don't!!!

    There is literally nothing in the world anyone could do that would make 100% of people happy, your comment is invalid.

    The Operative: "There are a lot of innocent people being killed in the air right now".

    Capt. Malcolm Reynolds: "You have no idea how true that is".
    Pattern Clarc
    Citeregis
    #380 - 2013-06-11 14:01:52 UTC
    Eos changing to Myrmidon hull.... YES


    The rest changing.... Meh.

    Ex CSM member & Designer of the Tornado. Gallente - Pilot satisfaction