Player Features and Ideas Discussion

i never stated that local wasnt too strong on intel, i wouldnt because it is too strong. but read my delay idea

i think its an awesome idea (maybe some small tweaks) and will open up a ton of new fun PVP options

If only I had 1 isk for every afk thread that showed up.... I'd be a rich man!!!

Sonar is when you use some kind of sound wave in water, space is not filled with water dude

And yet again someone is saying something about it.

Funny thing is that you forum nerds just don't want admit that it is a problem.

Why would people ask for such a thing when they have tools to prevent it .. outpost docking rights are player controlled, POS can be removed and stations are only present in NPC space (ie. conscious choice on latent complainers part). You managed to use an example that has absolutely no relevance to the discussion .. politician/spin-doctor in real life I take it?

One post on three whole pages gets it, and here I was ready to throw the towel in on mankinds behalf. Intel, both overt and covert, is the main issue that needs to be solved.

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Intel (local included) is part of it, another is the ability to move unlimited assets to location in the time it takes an interceptor to get lock and yet another is the ability of a cloaked vessel to obtain a near perfect intel picture without ever being detected itself.

There is no "one" solution to it, delaying local alone addresses only part of it and will never happen because the outcome is obvious making both CCP and null bears opponents overnight ... can you imagine being able to not only cyno **** around at will but also be able to move through any system giving deeper systems no forewarning except from alt scouts spammed everywhere.

It all boils down to intel and the limitations of the tools we have available .. We need an intelligence/counter-intelligence system.

PS (mandatory antagonizing poke): Since AFK cloakers are obviously not an issue except for their ability to mess with peoples calm/minds, then you proponents wouldn't mind in the slightest that cyno-gens and cloaks were mutually exclusive .. would you?

This was from a different thread about the situation in reverse. It says everything that needs to be said about your understanding.

As TheGunslinger42 says, if you don't get it please feel free to go to WH space or, and in your case I think this is probably best, high sec.

I once (years ago) thought this would be a good idea and psoted it here. I got laughed at.

I can see why. EVE Online gives us all more than enough tools to deal with cloakers.

-Local
-The ability to fleet up
-ECM Bursts (if you get caught)
-Warp Corp Stabs (to keep you from getting caught)
-Target Breakers (perhaps helpful if you get hot dropped)
-Remote Repair Mods (to help your small ratting or mining group be tough enough to survive till help comes or the gankers get bored)


Last Week some alliance mates of mine used 3 regular Domis (Dominii?) for ratting while remote repping/energy transferring his small fleet when a Tengu (which had been afking) popped up and hot dropped.

Result? Dead Tengu (and a dead Talos). Of course bad guys can bring enough guys to kill any set up like that (they wouldn't care, Domis are relatively cheap and easy to replace), but the point is, the game already give us everything we need to counter cloakys, it's just that people don't want to use them.

That's a good point that too many people don't recognize when they suggest changes.

The current system works, and sometimes those afk cloakers aren't AFK and they kill ships. While getting your ship killed sucks, it's GREAT for the game's economy. In fact, "afk cloakers" help the game by controlling inflation. Without them we'd be able to rat and mine null sec systems to the bare bone (sure it would all re spawn, I'm using a figure of speech), by disrupting our activity cloakers and others who come in to our systems providing gameplay opportunities.

Till recently I always used expensive ships to farm anoms in null sec and NO ONE hated a cloaker coming in and camping more than I did. i still don't much like it from a purely selfish point of view. But beyond that purely selfish point of view I can see how the current status quo actually has some real benefits for the game. I've adapted by lessening my risk (using tech1 BSs to rat) and using the tools EVE gives me.

Maybe it should be possible to Detect a cloaked ships, like its possible to detect a stealth submarine, maybe they should give you a panel for detections while scanning with probes and you can find random signatures, most of what is going to be light waves, but the ship was uncloaked some time meaning light DID in fact hit it, so if you where able to make up where he was by seeing some little faith lights in a panel it would be fun....

BUT again this is almost impossible, there is so much **** in the ocean you just cant find a stealth submarine if you dont know its there, although with good enough systems, you could actually find it...... but what tells you its not just a random debrits?... i think ccp should of remade the scanning game a bit, to be more like if you where looking for sigs, and put some bad ones in there where you just fall on a random asteroids damn :P... like most explorers, its normal to find something totally useless, just ask the one who found the american continent.. oh wait...

meh current things are fine for now... maybe one day its going to be more complex and a bit more exploitative.. or its going to stay the same like the bounty system