Ships & Modules

Yes, would give me a reason to skill for them

I blops, k? i love them. but really, for DPS, blops with covops cloak only needs to go as high as a rook. sig radius/strength in numbers. you don't need a covops cloak widow... you need more rooks and falcons, is the solution.

"nah" cuz also stealth bombers.

keep the widow at home as the bridge.

as comparing the the Falcon to the Widow.

The Falcon outshines the Widow at all vital points. It has double the scan resolution and a higher sensor strenght, so wether or not it can warp cloaked, the Falcon locks faster and has a stronger resistance against E-war than the Widow, even though the widow won't have a delay after decloaking, the Falcon will lock faster.

as for fearing the widow will become a stealth bomber, the scan resolution of a steath bomber is 3 times that of a widow by the time the widow has you locked, al but freighters have jumped out, not to mention the Damage application of the widow is terrible compared to a Stealth bomber.


Since E-war isn't efected by size like weapons scan resolution and sensor strenght are much more important than the size of your ship.

the covert op cyo is the only reason to use the widow even if it could warp cloaked it might have some use for hunting large ships, but even then I think it will make little diference.

I like the Widow less because it doesn't look like that.

Why not use a carrier instead...

Well, for quite a few reasons:

• Well fit Blackops do more dps than carriers, and apply it faster (faster lock, not using a weapon system that got to fly to the target
• Better escapability : blackops do 1000+m/s and can also fit a MJD, a very good quality for hit and run
• Ability to jump to a covert cyno
• Ability to portal support before jumping, seriously how can't you see the advantage of bridging recons and bombers for DPS

Blackops are indeed mostly used for hotdrops, and are brutally efficient at it. They are a niche ship, they usually can't withstand a protracted battle, use them accordingly (even if I've actually seen a few triage supported blackops drop be quite successful).

They are very different than carriers, and the rationale for the use of each is quite different...

What would the blackops doctrine involving warping cloaked be? The ships are used very successfully now, with what was last I checked was one of the best kill ratio in game. Using doctrines that would not benefit from warping cloaked (and that don't benefit much from the current cloak bonus).

zKillboard stats by ship :

Panther: 16,252 kills 322 losses http://zkillboard.com/ship/22440/
Redeemer: 21,446 kills 371 losses http://zkillboard.com/ship/22428/
Sin: 8,303 kills 275 losses http://zkillboard.com/ship/22430/
Widow: 8,046 kills 465 losses http://zkillboard.com/ship/22436/

That doesn't strike me as underpowered. All the whining reeks of incompetence by the people failing to adapt OTOH. It also shows what everyone knew, the Sin and Widow sucks compared to the others, but not for lack of Covert Ops Cloaking Device.

I vote YES

For the amount for SP required to fly a blackOps BS, I think its the most skill intensive non-Captial ship in the game or one of the most.

Vote Yes for cloaky warping Black ops!!!

But I AGREE just like RECON cruisers and Covert FRIGS

There should be 2 Classes of Black ops Battleships, 1 of which being able to warp cloacked.

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES

WHY?

These threads pop up every other week, yet no one can seem to motivate the reason for the suggestion or provide any example of what they envision with it.

Please, make sure to think about WHY you would want a warp-cloak on your Blops beyond that fact that it "fits the theme". Add some remarks on how you'd intend to use it (it's practical and tactical application) or how you're missing it now. You can't design a game around the name of things (it's called Blackops, they're meant to be cloaky so they need a Blackops ship).

The reason I'm pointing this out is because there are very few situations where a Blackops would properly utilize such a cloak. The Blops have something much better than a cov-cloak: they have a port-drive, suggest improvements to that instead - suggestions that fit your playstyle. There are other "covert theme" changes that would be far more interesting for Blops that would add flavour and dimension to the game instead of just piling on an existing type of cloak without any mention of how you'd intend to use it.

If you can't make a case for WHY a change should take place - it's going to be difficult to get people to side with you.

The WHY is far more important here than the suggestion or the change itself. Convince us!

Both the Redeemer and Panther have no trouble going over 1000dps, which is more than the typical carrier that is at same skillset and price point. How much DPS wouldn't be anemic exactly?