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Smack Of All Trades Absolute Glory 5
AkatokuChaos Smack Of All Trades Absolute Glory Likes received: 5	#1 - 2013-06-09 16:52:24 UTC \| Edited by: AkatokuChaos 5 What do you guys think? Should Black Ops Battleships be able to fit Covert Ops Cloaking Devices instead of just up to Improved Cloaking?

The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance 208
vyshnegradsky The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance Likes received: 208	#2 - 2013-06-09 17:12:49 UTC 2 AkatokuChaos wrote: What do you guys think? Should Black Ops Battleships be able to fit Covert Ops Cloaking Devices instead of just up to Improved Cloaking? no This one's a bit over the edge guys. Locked for breaking... well, pretty much all the rules. CCP Falcon

Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club 2,381
Mike Adoulin Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club Likes received: 2,381	#3 - 2013-06-09 17:33:34 UTC 4 yes Everything in EVE is a trap. And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:) You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg. Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.

Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation 1,949
Tsukino Stareine Garoun Investment Bank Gallente Federation Likes received: 1,949	#4 - 2013-06-09 17:33:34 UTC it already has a 625% cloaked velocity modifier lol Art of Explosions

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Amanda Chelian Likes received: 91	#5 - 2013-06-09 17:35:37 UTC They make for very lousy black ops due to not having the ability to warp while cloaked, and that's made obvious by how unpopular they are. I still don't understand why CCP decided that a ship type designed specifically for stealth doesn't get the same tools as other ship types in the same category.


Amanda Chelian Likes received: 91	#6 - 2013-06-09 17:37:53 UTC 5 Tsukino Stareine wrote: it already has a 625% cloaked velocity modifier lol Assume 100 m/s base. Improved cloak penalty: -75% -> 25 m/s Black ops V bonus: 625% -> 156 m/s Wow, amazing bonus.

Furnace IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII 1,645
Liam Inkuras Furnace IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII Likes received: 1,645	#7 - 2013-06-09 17:44:45 UTC 2 No, because that would lead to the ship class becoming very overpowered. It would become a nigh uncatchable battleship with the ability to covertly cyno in reinforcements. If you want that ability, use a cloaky T3. I wear my goggles at night. Any spelling/grammatical errors come complimentary with my typing on a phone

Amanda Chelian

Likes received: 91

#8 - 2013-06-09 17:51:29 UTC

Liam Inkuras wrote:

No, because that would lead to the ship class becoming very overpowered. It would become a nigh uncatchable battleship with the ability to covertly cyno in reinforcements. If you want that ability, use a cloaky T3.

So a T3 is allowed to do it (with a bubble nullifier, no less!) but a slower, easier to lock, and less agile ship, isn't? I'm sorry, I'm just not seeing the "overpowered" here.

Doomheim 102
Shinzhi Xadi Doomheim Likes received: 102	#9 - 2013-06-09 18:01:38 UTC 4 I always thought it was stupid that BO can't use a covert cloak. So my vote is to allow it, for consistency among the covert ships, and that it just makes sense. so.. yes Mac Pro dual 6-core Xeon 3.06ghz, 24gig ecc ram, EVGA GTX 680 Mac Edition, Intel SSD, OS X Yosemite and Windows 8.1 Pro.

Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 66
Janna Windforce Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State Likes received: 66	#10 - 2013-06-09 18:33:58 UTC Yes. So I finally justify skilling for it rather than skilling for jumpdrive skills + T2 cargohold expanders

Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic 23
TotalRapeage Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 23	#11 - 2013-06-09 18:34:09 UTC Shinzhi Xadi wrote: I always thought it was stupid that BO can't use a covert cloak. So my vote is to allow it, for consistency among the covert ships, and that it just makes sense. so.. yes Agree, I vote YES

Tsukino Stareine

Garoun Investment Bank

Gallente Federation

Likes received: 1,949

#12 - 2013-06-09 18:34:59 UTC

Amanda Chelian wrote:

Tsukino Stareine wrote:

it already has a 625% cloaked velocity modifier lol

Assume 100 m/s base.

Improved cloak penalty: -75% -> 25 m/s
Black ops V bonus: 625% -> 156 m/s

Wow, amazing bonus.

you're underestimating this bonus

it allows you to warp away almost while still cloaked since you can get up to warp speed while cloaked.

plus you move faster than any other battleship class ship while cloaked.

Art of Explosions

Caldari Provisions Caldari State 5
snakebreath Caldari Provisions Caldari State Likes received: 5	#13 - 2013-06-09 18:35:54 UTC YES

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snake03 Likes received: 20	#14 - 2013-06-09 18:37:08 UTC Oh hell yes...... YES I'm just a modern day caveman in search of a bigger club.

University of Caille Gallente Federation 45
infra52x University of Caille Gallente Federation Likes received: 45	#15 - 2013-06-09 18:38:22 UTC YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES!!!!!!!

Caldari Provisions Caldari State 14
manilabay Caldari Provisions Caldari State Likes received: 14	#16 - 2013-06-09 18:40:08 UTC I vote yes


vyshnegradsky The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance Likes received: 208	#17 - 2013-06-09 18:41:05 UTC 2 You have a Jump drive. Learn to use it. This one's a bit over the edge guys. Locked for breaking... well, pretty much all the rules. CCP Falcon

Amanda Chelian

Likes received: 91

#18 - 2013-06-09 18:45:36 UTC | Edited by: Amanda Chelian

Tsukino Stareine wrote:

Amanda Chelian wrote:

Tsukino Stareine wrote:

it already has a 625% cloaked velocity modifier lol

Assume 100 m/s base.

Improved cloak penalty: -75% -> 25 m/s
Black ops V bonus: 625% -> 156 m/s

Wow, amazing bonus.

I'm not underestimating it. I'm just not understanding how running away faster from cloaking makes Black Ops worth their SP investment and price tag in any way, especially since T3 already do the running-away aspect magnitudes better than black ops due to nullifiers.

As for moving faster, any battleship-sized vessel with an afterburner or MWD will still outrun it by far, and what's the point of crawling around cloaked in a black ops anyway, if it can't warp without giving itself away on d-scan?

Lazerhawks L A Z E R H A W K S 441
chris elliot Lazerhawks L A Z E R H A W K S Likes received: 441	#19 - 2013-06-09 20:00:57 UTC 4 I'd rather have a T2 resist profile and a better slot layout.

Fusion Enterprises Ltd Pandemic Horde 442
Cage Man Fusion Enterprises Ltd Pandemic Horde Likes received: 442	#20 - 2013-06-09 20:03:33 UTC 3 I say no. I would rather see them have the ability to run their prop mods while the cloaks are on and then apply the velocity bonus. This will them make them unique enough to train for. Imagine sneaking up on a target cloaked at 4-km/s. Lots of other ships can warp cloaked and tackle, you want something tough and sneaky in a black ops ship, well I do