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Vote: Black Ops Battleships and Covert Cloaking Device

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AkatokuChaos
Smack Of All Trades
Absolute Glory
#1 - 2013-06-09 16:52:24 UTC  |  Edited by: AkatokuChaos
What do you guys think? Should Black Ops Battleships be able to fit Covert Ops Cloaking Devices instead of just up to Improved Cloaking?
vyshnegradsky
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#2 - 2013-06-09 17:12:49 UTC
AkatokuChaos wrote:
What do you guys think? Should Black Ops Battleships be able to fit Covert Ops Cloaking Devices instead of just up to Improved Cloaking?


no

This one's a bit over the edge guys.

Locked for breaking... well, pretty much all the rules.

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Mike Adoulin
Happys Happy Hamster Hunting Club
#3 - 2013-06-09 17:33:34 UTC
yes

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And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)

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Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2013-06-09 17:33:34 UTC
it already has a 625% cloaked velocity modifier lol

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Amanda Chelian
#5 - 2013-06-09 17:35:37 UTC
They make for very lousy black ops due to not having the ability to warp while cloaked, and that's made obvious by how unpopular they are. I still don't understand why CCP decided that a ship type designed specifically for stealth doesn't get the same tools as other ship types in the same category.
Amanda Chelian
#6 - 2013-06-09 17:37:53 UTC
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
it already has a 625% cloaked velocity modifier lol



Assume 100 m/s base.

Improved cloak penalty: -75% -> 25 m/s
Black ops V bonus: 625% -> 156 m/s

Wow, amazing bonus.P
Liam Inkuras
Furnace
IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
#7 - 2013-06-09 17:44:45 UTC
No, because that would lead to the ship class becoming very overpowered. It would become a nigh uncatchable battleship with the ability to covertly cyno in reinforcements. If you want that ability, use a cloaky T3.

I wear my goggles at night.

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Amanda Chelian
#8 - 2013-06-09 17:51:29 UTC
Liam Inkuras wrote:
No, because that would lead to the ship class becoming very overpowered. It would become a nigh uncatchable battleship with the ability to covertly cyno in reinforcements. If you want that ability, use a cloaky T3.


So a T3 is allowed to do it (with a bubble nullifier, no less!) but a slower, easier to lock, and less agile ship, isn't? I'm sorry, I'm just not seeing the "overpowered" here.
Shinzhi Xadi
Doomheim
#9 - 2013-06-09 18:01:38 UTC
I always thought it was stupid that BO can't use a covert cloak. So my vote is to allow it, for consistency among the covert ships, and that it just makes sense. so..

yes

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Janna Windforce
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-06-09 18:33:58 UTC
Yes.
So I finally justify skilling for it rather than skilling for jumpdrive skills + T2 cargohold expanders Roll
TotalRapeage
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2013-06-09 18:34:09 UTC
Shinzhi Xadi wrote:
I always thought it was stupid that BO can't use a covert cloak. So my vote is to allow it, for consistency among the covert ships, and that it just makes sense. so..

yes





Agree, I vote YES
Tsukino Stareine
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2013-06-09 18:34:59 UTC
Amanda Chelian wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
it already has a 625% cloaked velocity modifier lol



Assume 100 m/s base.

Improved cloak penalty: -75% -> 25 m/s
Black ops V bonus: 625% -> 156 m/s

Wow, amazing bonus.P


you're underestimating this bonus

it allows you to warp away almost while still cloaked since you can get up to warp speed while cloaked.

plus you move faster than any other battleship class ship while cloaked.

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snakebreath
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-06-09 18:35:54 UTC
YES
snake03
#14 - 2013-06-09 18:37:08 UTC
Oh hell yes......

YES

I'm just a modern day caveman in search of a bigger club.
infra52x
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-06-09 18:38:22 UTC
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES

YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES!!!!!!!
manilabay
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2013-06-09 18:40:08 UTC
I vote yes
vyshnegradsky
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#17 - 2013-06-09 18:41:05 UTC
You have a Jump drive. Learn to use it.

This one's a bit over the edge guys.

Locked for breaking... well, pretty much all the rules.

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Amanda Chelian
#18 - 2013-06-09 18:45:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Amanda Chelian
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
Amanda Chelian wrote:
Tsukino Stareine wrote:
it already has a 625% cloaked velocity modifier lol



Assume 100 m/s base.

Improved cloak penalty: -75% -> 25 m/s
Black ops V bonus: 625% -> 156 m/s

Wow, amazing bonus.P


you're underestimating this bonus

it allows you to warp away almost while still cloaked since you can get up to warp speed while cloaked.

plus you move faster than any other battleship class ship while cloaked.


I'm not underestimating it. I'm just not understanding how running away faster from cloaking makes Black Ops worth their SP investment and price tag in any way, especially since T3 already do the running-away aspect magnitudes better than black ops due to nullifiers.

As for moving faster, any battleship-sized vessel with an afterburner or MWD will still outrun it by far, and what's the point of crawling around cloaked in a black ops anyway, if it can't warp without giving itself away on d-scan?
chris elliot
Seal Club Six
Plug N Play
#19 - 2013-06-09 20:00:57 UTC
I'd rather have a T2 resist profile and a better slot layout.
Cage Man
Fusion Enterprises Ltd
Pandemic Horde
#20 - 2013-06-09 20:03:33 UTC
I say no. I would rather see them have the ability to run their prop mods while the cloaks are on and then apply the velocity bonus. This will them make them unique enough to train for. Imagine sneaking up on a target cloaked at 4-km/s.
Lots of other ships can warp cloaked and tackle, you want something tough and sneaky in a black ops ship, well I do Twisted
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