Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I cannot take this statement at face value.

Using local, and proper preparation, you have less uncontrollable risk than in high sec / empire space.

In high sec, there are too many ships to avoid all non blue entities and still function in practical ways.
So, you accept the added risk of exposure to potential suicide gankers, as well as out of corp scouts for those using war decs to attack you.

In null, your safety is nearly an absolute by comparison. You have enough warning time from local to always hit warp and leave the moment a non blue enters the same system as you.
You can then prepare an organized group of PvP ships to track down and eliminate this threat at your pleasure. Whether they flee or are destroyed, the threat is gone.
Only cloaked vessels can match your docked defense posture.
They cannot get past your POS shield or shoot you in your outpost, and you cannot find them to do this either.

Without cloaking's current mechanics, local is too powerful of an advantage with no balance, giving local PvE pilots effectively absolute safety.
That makes null much safer than High Sec

If there is no local why would I waste time sitting AFK in an " empty " system?

Ratting in PVP fit ships sounds as stupid as it is. So you say you cloaky AFK camping people because they don't give a **** about what your asking them?

AND FOR **** SAKE, I ALWAYS TRY TO BAIT AFK CLOAKERS BUT THEY NEVER BIT, THEY ONLY TAKE EASY 100% SURE KILLS, OR HOT-DROP OUTNUMBERING LIKE LITTLE PUSSIES.


Have more BS? Please vomit it here.

I have said this before and I will say it again, the only difference between my PvP and Ratting ships is a warp scrambler.

The potential reward comes when an opportunity to decloak and do something fun presents itself...but then once you decloak the risk goes up....

No, you really don't. Because that cloaked guy in system represents risk. You've stated before you want to hunt down and "fight" the AFK cloaker...how much risk is there in killing an AFK character?



Sure it is. I've done PI with AFK cloakies in system...well okay, I think they are are AFK. You know what I use...a transport ship. You know, the one that fits the covert ops cloak.

As for ratting, you can do that...but you have to take the risk...which gets back to your claim that you supposedly like risk. You say, "I like risk," but your actions are saying, "I don't like risk." You wont even undock to see if the undock is clear by the sounds of it)

if i wanted to live and work in an area of eve where there was no potential risk, i would live in emp in a quiet corp and go about my business.



I think you need to work on the definition of risk. Risk means you don't know if the good or bad state will obtain. People, generally don't like risk, which is why we do things like buying insurance and incurring extra costs to mitigate risks. Which makes it more believable that you really don't like risk, despite our claims to the contrary.



That is entirely the point. It is making null more risky. You want to make it less risky. You want to have a certain type of risk. Risk where:

1. You can see a potential threat before he even loads grid (aka local)
2. You can see if the new entrant into the system is a threat or not (via local).



Now this is just silly. Nikk has stated several times he is a null miner. He may PvP on occassion (probably sov related). I, I like PvP, but rarely AFK cloak (only time I've really done it was to Raiden. because, well **** Raiden. and especially Finfleet). So two of your opponents in this discussion don't really use the tactic.

Why do we still oppose nerfing cloaks (without nerfing local)? Because of game balance.

The problem of dealing simply with just AFK cloaking by itself has been explained in this thread several times (e.g. this post by Mags). It has been explained to you previously. That you refuse to apprehend the arguments is your failing. Might want to work on that.

Do you even read people's replies? I already said, I rarely AFK cloak. Nikk doesn't at all, AFAIK. Yet you type this kind of tripe.

And few billion ISK

Sigh. Do you even read any of the posts?

Look, I'll explain again.
Depending on what method you implement to "take away AFK cloaking" you either:
Massively nerf active players
or
Remove a big chunk of risk and uncertainty from nullsec

As for the cloaked player, he cannot force you to shut down activities. If you don't want to 'reward' him with that, then DON'T DO IT.

If you're asking why can he force you to alter the way you play (such as making you have to alter your fit so it isn't minmaxed for pve, or making you have to play defensively from time to time)... he gets to do that because it's part of the game. It's like asking why a gate camp should get to force me to alter my autopiloting through lowsec, or why a trader should get to force me to alter my sell orders to undercut his, or anything else. They get to do these things because it's a MMO.

Do you understand this concept? It's a competitive multiplayer game. Other players can affect you, and you can affect them.

If this is your problem then it's a much larger one than I thought, you don't just want to alter some mechanics to your benefit, you actually don't want a MMO game at all

ITT: Nullbear problems

The truth of the Cloak vs Local argument should be made apparent by the fact you don't see these tears from anyone who spends time in w-space.