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Luscius Uta
#341 - 2013-06-07 05:53:23 UTC
I would rather want to see a Navy Myrmidon, but I guess it's too late for that. So this is still better than nothing.

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Ezek Price
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#342 - 2013-06-07 06:18:46 UTC
Sleipnir is universally recognised as a Cyclone hull. It's iconic.

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#343 - 2013-06-07 07:10:23 UTC
Ezek Price wrote:
Sleipnir is universally recognised as a Cyclone hull. It's iconic.

It's universally recognized by players as the Cyclone hull because it's always been the Cyclone.

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impli
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#344 - 2013-06-07 10:04:09 UTC
I would vote a Yes for it .. but change the hull slightly .. because a hurricane with some more solar or armor plates or some ore Shield generator bulbs would be great .. Maybe the solar wings change to horizontal wings and double it or 3 times it...
Aarym Hita
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#345 - 2013-06-07 10:22:09 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Slowly coming to terms with the fact that I'm in a distinct minority here, but I'm very much unabashedly opposed to the proposed change. Way back when I trained into a Nighthawk because I loved the look; I've always thought the Drake was uninspired. I adore the Absolution; never really cared for the Harbinger at all. As nice as the Hurricane is -- and don't get me wrong, it's pretty -- I abso-*******-lutely love the the Sleipnir just the way it is. Hell, I'd have to say the Sleipnir is my favorite-looking ship in the game (and she's not half bad in the performance area either).


It's all said right here. If we are forced to take all 4 or none of the changes, I vote no. The Nighthawk has been my favorite ship since week 1 (Ferox hull with missiles, how awesome is that!?). Since the Odyssey changes to the requirements, this is all i've been flying. While I appreciate the work that has gone into those new models on display, I couldn't imagine flying modified drake as the Nighthawk. It's not the Nighthawk! Keep them around for something new - we don't have any covert-ops BCs yet :D
Altered Ego
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#346 - 2013-06-07 10:51:06 UTC
+ 0.75.

This is a good idea. But the Sleipnir should stay as it is.
Mole Guy
Bob's Bait and Tackle
#347 - 2013-06-07 13:45:17 UTC
Altered Ego wrote:
+ 0.75.

This is a good idea. But the Sleipnir should stay as it is.

the sleip is getting hacked!
it should have the same ammount of slots as the rest of them. so its popularity is going to drop.
its power is going to drop.
its desirability is going to drop.
and its wreck will soon drop (after my damnation hams it to death..) =)
Sergeant Acht Scultz
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#348 - 2013-06-07 14:32:49 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.

I'll start with this disclaimer, we will never feel that we need to make hull designs match the function of every ship. So there's no NEED to switch the hulls on any command ships. This is not something we've decided to do, but it is something we could do and would like your opinions on.

It might be interesting to convert half the command ships into the other BC hull, picking the one that matches their weapon type at the T1 level.

That would (potentially) mean:

  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull

    • This is the kind of thing that we'd expect many people would have strong opinions about, and since it wouldn't have direct gameplay effects we wouldn't consider it worth doing unless there was some significant community support for the idea that overwhelms the opposition.

    So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?



    Go for it !!

    NAO !!

    On a serious note change is good, in this specific case changes at the beginning are "only" hull design changes but those match pretty much what players comments on how "weird" it is to see command ships with a single hull different colors weapon system and bonus, it looks like half finished.

    If these hull changes can happen at the very same time Command ships are revamp as links (don't forget those !!!) it's just awesome, not a huge addition I'd tell you but on the same track of what's been done this far: put the right thing at the right place.

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    Tinukeda'ya Naskingar
    Minmatar Expeditions ltd.
    #349 - 2013-06-07 15:06:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Tinukeda'ya Naskingar
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    Cards on the table, the Sleipnir is the ship I have the greatest emotional attachment to of any ship in EVE. It would look great as a Hurricane, but it would also look DIFFERENT and that makes me feel confused feelings deep inside my heart.

    I also don't think this kind of change would be worthwhile unless we did all four and converted them into those specific hulls, since any deviation would make it harder for a new player trying to get information from their looks.

    So it's kinda an all or nothing deal, which is what makes it such a difficult question.


    Sleipnir is my ship of choice... changing it to hurricane would destroy the game for me unless Claymore will become usefull for my playing style.

    Hurricane is a deal breaker for me. It's the Cyclone hull I love.

    EDIT: Just to add... Changing the Cyclone to missile boat was already hard for me as it's my secondary ship. But I could live with that.... but flying Sleipwith Hurricane hull. Shocked

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    Alvatore DiMarco
    Capricious Endeavours Ltd
    #350 - 2013-06-07 15:20:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
    impli wrote:
    I would vote a Yes for it .. but change the hull slightly .. because a hurricane with some more solar or armor plates or some ore Shield generator bulbs would be great .. Maybe the solar wings change to horizontal wings and double it or 3 times it...


    "Change the hull slightly" will be happening regardless of what hull gets used in the end. At this time, I would like to direct your attention to the differences in appearance between the Standard-Issue Tempest and the Vargur as well as the several subtle differences (and there are quite a few) between the Standard-Issue Megathron and the Kronos.They're going to finish up the Marauders (Paladin's in the works right now and then they're going to do the Golem) and move on to whatever's next in line.

    If we have a Hurricane-based Sleip, it will almost definitely have different fins (Maybe looking like the radial fins on the Vargur, but maybe not) since they're such an obvious change and the whole ship will have a unique hull just like the Marauders are getting at the moment. Based on what a Command Ship is and what they're going to be after the rebalance, I have quite a bit of confidence that a Hurricane-class Sleipnir would be considerably more intimidating, muscular and aggressive-looking than its T1 counterpart.

    If we have a Cyclone-based Sleip, well.. sorry, purists. Look at the Tempest again and then go look one more time at the Vargur. The same thing I described above is basically what will happen to a Cyclone-based Sleipnir. The hull will definitely be getting noticeably messing-around with and won't look exactly like a Cyclone anymore. This repeats for all the other three races, until we have eight command ships that look noticeably different than their T1 counterparts.

    This gives a little hope to you Drake-haters as well, since a modified Drake model could be quite different than the Drake we all know today. Given the change in modern Amarr aesthetic, the Harbinger and Prophecy will almost certainly be redesigned or changed slightly at the T1 level (see Apocalypse, Dragoon, Impairor), with the T2 modified after that.

    Yes, this means a modified and more badass-looking Myrmidon (and Brutix) would/will be happening as well.
    Marc Callan
    Center for Advanced Studies
    Gallente Federation
    #351 - 2013-06-07 15:22:01 UTC
    One thing that's been rattling around in my head: the current command ships aren't just using the hull models of the old Tier-1 battlecruisers, they're also built on the framework of the Tier-1 ships' basic stats and bonuses. F'r instance, both Minmatar command ships share the Cyclone's shield boost bonus, both Amarr command ships share the Prophecy's armor resistance bonus. Matter of fact, all the Command ships have hefty defensive bonuses, which only makes sense, because a Command Ship is a lot less useful if it's got a tank like a beer can.

    Will the new versions hold to that design framework, or will the rebalance build them on the basis of the old Tier-2 battlecruisers' stats? Because the Eos Mark II would benefit enormously from using the Myrmidon's base bonuses instead of the Brutix's (the Eos Mark I gets the Brutix's blaster bonus but only five guns, and no drone bonus beyond extra drone bay space is seriously weak), but the Sleipnir Mark II getting the Hurricane's double-damage bonus but losing its tanking ability would really hurt.

    Heck, I don't know. Maybe instead of just magically converting them, introduce Mark II versions of the off-weapon designs based on the old Tier II hulls while keeping the old Mark I's basically as they are? (I suspect the Eos Mark II would be much more popular than the Eos Mark I, while the Sleipnir Mark I would be much more popular than the Sleipnir Mark II...)

    Probably (almost certainly) a dumb idea. But Command Ship designs (artistic and structural) are kind of a hodgepodge at the moment...

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    Alvatore DiMarco
    Capricious Endeavours Ltd
    #352 - 2013-06-07 15:45:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
    The Eos will be getting new bonuses centered around Drone combat. The Claymore will get missile bonuses instead of projectiles. There isn't a lot of specific information (and rightfully so - the announcement is pretty old and they haven't gotten 'round to a proper rebalance pass on Command Ships yet) but you can refer to this image for a general overview of what all the Command Ships will look like - in terms of mechanics - when things are done. You can read the dev blog about it here. The relevant part is at the bottom, in the section entitled "Command & Conquer".

    While I'm at it, does anyone have an updated version of this? They unveiled a new version at Fanfest 2013 that was a little bit more slanted and I simply cannot find it.
    Tinukeda'ya Naskingar
    Minmatar Expeditions ltd.
    #353 - 2013-06-07 16:17:59 UTC
    ISD Suvetar wrote:
    Jaredo Wens wrote:
    personally I think they should go like so... [unpopular as some of these may be...]

    Prophecy -> Damnation
    Harbinger -> Navy*
    Oracle -> Absolution*

    Ferox -> Navy*
    Drake -> Nighthawk
    Naga -> Vulture*

    Brutix -> Navy*
    Myrmidon -> Eos
    Talos -> Astarte*

    Cyclone -> Claymore
    Hurricane -> Navy*
    Tornado -> Sleipnir*

    * - these can easily be swapped around. Fluff wise the Tech 1 'tier 3' glass cannon BCs are all either prototypes or secret projects so using them as a base Tech 2 or as a navy ship isn't too much of a stretch.


    I too like the idea of using err 'Tier 3' hulls, even though tiers are dead <3



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    #354 - 2013-06-07 16:23:08 UTC
    I voiced my support for this change earlier, but I wanted to ask if you guys have considered changing the T2 hulls to the opposite of what we'd expect?

    I always thought it was sort of neat to have a missile firing ferox, and I'm just wondering if you criss-crossed the hulls for T2 duty, would a turret-firing Drake be as cool? A missile cane? a full-on blaster Myrm (but with no drones? /gasp that thought makes me feel uneasy lol--omg unless the blasters were mounted all along the Myrm. Think about blasters being all over the sides of the ship! That'd be epic!!)

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    #355 - 2013-06-07 18:31:37 UTC
    Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
    The Eos will be getting new bonuses centered around Drone combat. The Claymore will get missile bonuses instead of projectiles. There isn't a lot of specific information (and rightfully so - the announcement is pretty old and they haven't gotten 'round to a proper rebalance pass on Command Ships yet) but you can refer to this image for a general overview of what all the Command Ships will look like - in terms of mechanics - when things are done. You can read the dev blog about it here. The relevant part is at the bottom, in the section entitled "Command & Conquer".

    While I'm at it, does anyone have an updated version of this?
    They unveiled a new version at Fanfest 2013 that was a little bit more slanted and I simply cannot find it.
    Thank you for finding that dev blog about the CS changes. I had the picture BM'd but not that page.

    Quote:
    A missile cane? a full-on blaster Myrm (but with no drones? /gasp that thought makes me feel uneasy lol--omg unless the blasters were mounted all along the Myrm. Think about blasters being all over the sides of the ship! That'd be epic!!)

    I will stab you if CCP takes that seriously. I want my T2 Myrmidon with 125mb Drone Bandwidth and Drone bonused hull for the Eos!!

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    #356 - 2013-06-07 19:16:02 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    Cards on the table, the Sleipnir is the ship I have the greatest emotional attachment to of any ship in EVE. It would look great as a Hurricane, but it would also look DIFFERENT and that makes me feel confused feelings deep inside my heart.

    I also don't think this kind of change would be worthwhile unless we did all four and converted them into those specific hulls, since any deviation would make it harder for a new player trying to get information from their looks.

    So it's kinda an all or nothing deal, which is what makes it such a difficult question.


    Indeed it is an all or nothing change, not only because of the looks and base hull, but because you would need to adjust invention to use their respective t1 hull BPCs along with some adjustments in materials to keep prices within range.
    Natalcya Katla
    Astropolitan Front
    #357 - 2013-06-07 19:22:10 UTC
    I like my Nighthawks just the way they are.
    Fergus Runkle
    Truth and Reconciliation Council
    #358 - 2013-06-07 21:51:39 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:


  • Eos would use the Myrm hull
  • Sleipnir would use the Hurricane hull
  • Abso would use the Harb hull
  • Nighthawk would use the Drake hull



    • yes
    yes
    yes
    OH GOD YES
    Khoul Ay'd
    The Affiliation
    #359 - 2013-06-07 23:10:32 UTC
    CCP Fozzie wrote:
    This is something I've been thinking about during my predesign for the command ships.

    .........................

    So, hypothetically, what do you guys think?


    YES, YES, A THOUSAND TIMES YES! I want my Myrmeos and Sleipnicane Big smile

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    Faded Light
    #360 - 2013-06-08 01:17:08 UTC
    Do not want.

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