EVE General Discussion

Well, we are now seeing more women in STEM subjects, so, there are geeky women out there, who like taking things apart, putting them back together and poking them with a sharp stick :)

It's all quoted from this article:

http://www.destructoid.com/boy-s-club-why-don-t-more-women-play-eve-online--254710.phtml

Although, oddly enough, much of the article is centered around World of Darkness... Idk.

I am getting quite sick of this "feminism" BS.
You don't see the developers of my little pony ( or whatever the sensitive types play, i dunno ) go around wondering, now how can we make this game more attractive to men.....


The vast majority of game devs, programmers and general IT people, are men, this is simply because they are more attracted to computers ( note: i DID NOT say there were no women and i DID NOT say there was no place for women in computing ) and gadgets and games etc etc etc.

This inevitably means that, games will always cater to men more than to women.
There are a couple of projects out there, which are made by women for women and as far as i know, these games do not appeal to men to much and don't sell well either, since women's interest in gaming is already low to begin with ( regardless of the genre or target group ).

It has been quite clear for a while now that, despite the fact that more and more women ARE actually starting to enjoy gaming, there still is no viable market for it.


Another comparison is Women's football ( or Soccer as they call it in NA ).
Over the entire planet, no matter what country and no matter how successful ( in terms of winning prices ), women's football does not attract enough viewers to fund itself, ergo, it needs to be subsidized.
I have no idea what it would feel like to be a woman football player and have nobody care for it, even if i was the best of the best, but it's the hard sad truth, if it isn't making profit it is making loss, if it's making a loss it's supposed to fail ( we call that one bankruptcy ).
Can you imagine a failing software company, that is being kept alive by subsidies, just because it's ran by women? i don;t know about you, but i would be outraged if that ever happened.

SGU was a fail. Not because it wasn't great.. it was awesome. It failed for some of the same reasons that EVE doesn't have the same market share as WoW. Namely, that it doesn't appeal to the broad spectrum audience that would have to put a substantial amount of thought into it.

"Swamp People" on the other hand, had 3.9M viewers for its second season premiere. I have a pretty solid suspicion that the demographic that watches "Swamp People" and the demographic that plays EVE probably doesn't have alot of overlap ;p.

Anyone care if we get the "Swamp People" demographic? lol

But either way... this is STILL NOT ABOUT GAME DESIGN.

It's about deeply held core beliefs regarding gender... what makes something "male" or "female" and why we do or do not care.

Fascinating! Thanks for posting that link.

Really interesting to see that they found that differences in gameplay motivation were more closely linked to age than to gender. And that paper does reinforce the argument that many of the barriers to greater participation by women in online gaming are cultural and societal, both inside and outside the game. Extrapolating from that, one might reasonably expect to see smaller and smaller percentages of women participating in games that are more "hardcore" and perceived as being male oriented in subject, and that would certainly tie in with the very small percentage of female players that we see in Eve.

If that's so CCP should close down EvE and DUSK 514, since it doesn't even match 1/4 of WoW's market share.

Tell that to your brosefs who ask if they can park a carrier on your (a woman's) boobs. Funny or not, guys in EVE (and MMOs that don't moderate) are not especially gender neutral.


If you want to play in a high school locker room that's fine, but let's be honest about it and quit deflecting the blame.

People are different.

There are men who prefer what many people would consider "Female" things, and women who enjoy taking cars apart, climbing trees, getting muddy, programming and violencing spaceships.

Maybe this is just my stereotypes kicking in, but could the serial drama aspect of SGU account for more female viewers? If that were the case I'd be willing to bet that shows like SGU, BSG, DS9 and Babylon 5 had a higher percentage of female viewers than for example Star Trek TNG, Voyager, SG-1 and SGA.

I mean not that technobabble and defeating the monster or space anomaly of the week can't appeal to women, it's just that many of them probably want a bit more than that. I'm much the same way, really.

Deal, as long as when people hear a non-testosterone influenced voice on comms they dont start bringing sex into it