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The only people you can hurt in this game, are people who are not out to ruin other people's fun

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EglantinFinfleur
Ecpyrosis
#1 - 2013-06-07 12:10:11 UTC  |  Edited by: EglantinFinfleur
- Gankers and scammers see the red flags announcing ganks and scams, since it's their trade
- The former will dock and run missions on an alt, the latter are permadocked alts.
- People falling victim to ganks and scams are people who naively believe that, in an online video game, there is a tacit agreement to play so that everybody has fun, instead of going out of your way to make people mad (tears, lulz etc)

This game is only harsh and cold for people who choose to behave as sensible beings. How does that even make sense?

In this gamer, people who are disruptive on purpose are coddled, as they, and their potential victims, need alts to grief and escape rules-abiding griefing. This makes sense from a business point of view, but how does it make any from a gaming point of view?

Is this still a game, or an online social platform to carry out in a virtual universe what you couldn't IRL, for fear of retribution?
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
#2 - 2013-06-07 12:12:05 UTC
what about the people who gank/scam as their primary profession?

On a side note, I'm tempted to start ninja salvaging again to polish my combat probing.
l0rd carlos
the king asked me to guard the mountain
#3 - 2013-06-07 12:13:36 UTC
Eh, not sure where you getting at. What is your point?

You don't need an alt to have fun.

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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-06-07 12:13:39 UTC
EglantinFinfleur wrote:
Is this still a game, or an online social platform to carry out in a virtual universe what you couldn't IRL, for fear of retribution?


no, i also fly spaceships in real life

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
EglantinFinfleur
Ecpyrosis
#5 - 2013-06-07 12:14:49 UTC
Well, that's my point precisely. You can't gank or scam them, since it's their trade, and they're good at it.

You can't get back at people who choose to be disruptive of their fellow player's experience. Gank and scams victims are people who don't gank and scam.
EglantinFinfleur
Ecpyrosis
#6 - 2013-06-07 12:17:54 UTC
l0rd carlos wrote:
Eh, not sure where you getting at. What is your point?

You don't need an alt to have fun.


If my idea of fun is to rid New Eden of gankbears and scammers, how could i proceed?

They've polished their business, and won't be caught with their pants down, since catching people in such a state is what they're good at.
There's no use hiring mercs to collect their frozen corpses either, since they use multiple accounts, and keep their assets on a low-profile char.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#7 - 2013-06-07 12:18:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
EglantinFinfleur wrote:
Is this still a game, or an online social platform to carry out in a virtual universe what you couldn't IRL, for fear of retribution?
They're the same thing.

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You can't gank or scam them, since it's their trade, and they're good at it.
Yes you can.

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If my idea of fun is to rid New Eden of gankbears and scammers, how could i proceed?
You shouldn't. Griefing people out of the game is a bannable offence. Instead, you should probably pick a different game that gives you what you want.
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
#8 - 2013-06-07 12:18:29 UTC
EglantinFinfleur wrote:
Well, that's my point precisely. You can't gank or scam them, since it's their trade, and they're good at it.

You can't get back at people who choose to be disruptive of their fellow player's experience. Gank and scams victims are people who don't gank and scam.



so.......Learn to EVE, HTFU, or Go Back To WoW?

not......really sure what else can be said.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#9 - 2013-06-07 12:20:24 UTC
Sandbox, working as intended.

Eve is advertised as a universe full of asshats and some people still expect it to be all happiness and fluffy.

HTFU

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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EglantinFinfleur
Ecpyrosis
#10 - 2013-06-07 12:22:27 UTC
Tippia wrote:
EglantinFinfleur wrote:
Is this still a game, or an online social platform to carry out in a virtual universe what you couldn't IRL, for fear of retribution?
They're the same thing.

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You can't gank or scam them, since it's their trade, and they're good at it.
Yes you can.



A game is a social platform to behave like a sociopath, and seek RL satisfaction, making some random joe mad?
Isn't a game a virtual universe in which you play pretend, and tacitly agree to make it immersive and fun for everyone?


No, you can't gank or scam people who chose those activities as their trade. Assuming you can pod them, their assets are on another unrelated char altogether. What's the point?


Also, why don't you answer private mails?
Is your form of communication one-liners for all to see?
Maybelater Headache
Doomheim
#11 - 2013-06-07 12:24:14 UTC
This is clearly not your game, let it go. Sad but true.

Beside this i am totally tired of this stupid htfu meme
Lexmana
#12 - 2013-06-07 12:25:22 UTC
EglantinFinfleur wrote:
Is this still a game, or an online social platform to carry out in a virtual universe what you couldn't IRL, for fear of retribution?

Most games are like that. They let you do things you, dont want too, wouldn't get away with or couldn't do IRL. If it was just like RL why play the game?
EglantinFinfleur
Ecpyrosis
#13 - 2013-06-07 12:25:36 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Eterne
Tippia wrote:

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If my idea of fun is to rid New Eden of gankbears and scammers, how could i proceed?
You shouldn't. Griefing people out of the game is a bannable offence. Instead, you should probably pick a different game that gives you what you want.


It isn't, since players randomly boast about having made players ragequit after a gank or a scam. What's bannable, is repetitive harrassment of the same person.

Also, getting rid of gankbears and scammers means, making their trade so unpalatable to them so that they choose a different activity in New Eden.

*snipped personal attacks* - CCP Eterne
Lady Areola Fappington
#14 - 2013-06-07 12:26:48 UTC
OP, when playing Chess do you agree to not capture Queens, "to make the game fun"/
In checkers, do you limit the number of kings, in order to stay fair?
How bout Risk, promise not to put overwhelming defensive armies at chokepoints, just to keep the game moving?


Doing those things sounds pretty silly. Restricting legal actions in the sandbox is just as silly. Adapt or die.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#15 - 2013-06-07 12:29:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Inxentas Ultramar
Hey, I'm pretty "disruptive" but I need no stinking alts to haul my crap! People need to activate their killrights, but they don't. So yeah, I'm untouchable baby! Cool
EglantinFinfleur
Ecpyrosis
#16 - 2013-06-07 12:30:14 UTC  |  Edited by: EglantinFinfleur
Lexmana wrote:
EglantinFinfleur wrote:
Is this still a game, or an online social platform to carry out in a virtual universe what you couldn't IRL, for fear of retribution?

Most games are like that. They let you do things you, dont want too, wouldn't get away with or couldn't do IRL. If it was just like RL why play the game?


No, most games have unfortunately and preemptively limit players' freedom, so that immersion-ruining ("lol u mad bro? uninstall bro, unsubscribe bro") and Schadenfreude-oriented gameplay is impossible.

The best MMOs would be complete sandboxes, with community managers permabanning players who only enjoy being a nuisance, and ruining immersion for others.


Maybelater Headache wrote:
This is clearly not your game, let it go. Sad but true.

Beside this i am totally tired of this stupid htfu meme


My chars are probably off to the biomass queue, aye. Have been trying to find a purpose in this game since 2003, but policing space lanes and trying to amend online sociopaths' ways is not possible given the gameplay and unrelated accounts.


Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Sandbox, working as intended.

Eve is advertised as a universe full of asshats and some people still expect it to be all happiness and fluffy.

HTFU


If said asshats were coherent with New Eden I wouldn't have a problem. But they're just out to make you rage, they're not play pretending pod pilots
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
#17 - 2013-06-07 12:30:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Himnos Altar
EglantinFinfleur wrote:
Tippia wrote:

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If my idea of fun is to rid New Eden of gankbears and scammers, how could i proceed?
You shouldn't. Griefing people out of the game is a bannable offence. Instead, you should probably pick a different game that gives you what you want.


It isn't, since players randomly boast about having made players ragequit after a gank or a scam. What's bannable, is repetitive harrassment of the same person.

Also, getting rid of gankbears and scammers means, making their trade so unpalatable to them so that they choose a different activity in New Eden.


You're the most despicable poster in these forums. Always cherrypicking, twisting what's meant, etc...

How much do you weigh?

If you were at all visually pleasing, would you be a sarcastic hipster?


you're on a forum on the internet. and you're concerned about badpoasting.

......seriously?

Insert "Leave Bri--" er, "Leave Tippia Alone!!!!!" here

Also, EVE is a cold, dark place. Full of dangers for the stupid and uninformed. It has some of the worst dregs of the internet trolling its forums and scamming and ganking its citizens. This should never change. You White Knighters expect everyone to act honorably and by your space bushido. Not gonna happen.

Because at heart, people are Assholes.

But on the other hand, EVE is also home to the greatest, most welcoming, and greatest community ever.

Because at heart, people are awesome.

It's the greatest dichotomy around.
Maybelater Headache
Doomheim
#18 - 2013-06-07 12:31:08 UTC
EglantinFinfleur wrote:

How much do you weigh?

If you were at all visually pleasing, would you be a sarcastic hipster?


It´s safe to say you are an idiot.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#19 - 2013-06-07 12:33:28 UTC
EglantinFinfleur wrote:
A game is a social platform to behave like a sociopath, and seek RL satisfaction, making some random joe mad?
Fixed.

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Isn't a game a virtual universe in which you play pretend, and tacitly agree to make it immersive and fun for everyone?
Not really, no. A game is a set of rules and a magic circle within which those rules apply over everything else. If you don't enjoy the the rules, then the only way to make you have fun in the game is to break those rules, which makes it unfun for those who do enjoy them. For instance, your wish to grief people out of the game just because you dislike the rules of the game shows that your only intent is to make the game not fun. A better solution for you would be to play a game where you like the rule set, and leave this game to those who likes the rules of this game — that way, everyone can have fun.

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No, you can't gank or scam people who chose those activities as their trade.
Yes you can. There is no magical switch that makes them immune to the same game mechanics everyone else abide by.

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It isn't, since players randomly boast about having made players ragequit after a gank or a scam. What's bannable, is repetitive harrassment of the same person.
Yes it is. Go read the EULA. That's why your plan is a very very bad idea.
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
#20 - 2013-06-07 12:33:29 UTC
EglantinFinfleur wrote:
The best MMOs would be complete sandboxes, with community managers permabanning players who only enjoy being a nuisance, and ruining immersion for others.




That's NOT a sandbox.
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